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The State of Sandbox

almost 8 years

For years, this lobby has been stagnant, it has been declining in activity, and it has quickly been losing interest for those of us who have been here for a couple of years. The ownership of the lobby being passed around like a game of hot potato to me was unacceptable and therefore I decided to create a plan to change the lobby and make it a better and safer experience for those of us here. I was made aware that I was the heir to the throne long ago and ever since then, I began to work on some of these ideas. I have been observing the lobby for years and participating when necessary so that I could bring you, the people, the necessary changes that you need.

To begin,

I did not intend to rule alone or with just the moderators I choose, I was not interested in a clique ruling the lobby like we are going to have with an owner like Merlot and like we had with Bebop. This secretive clique may be great for those who Merlot and Bebop are looking out for (themselves, other site moderators), but it is not good for the people. I intended to rule with transparency -- true transparency. I wanted the people of Sandbox to help make decisions and I intended to start up open forums to hear what you had to say on issues such as what the role of the lobby moderator should be since they do not do much (I will talk about this more later on in this thread) and if the moderators and I could not come to a decision about what to do with controversial issues like certain users posting content in the lobby chat, then we'd create an open forum allowing the people to have their say on the issue.

The role of the moderators would drastically change, making them more useful within the lobby as I have seen many people say that moderators just aren't needed in Sandbox, here are the descriptions of the roles that I created with the help of some of my friends which were set to be included in the moderator applications yesterday before the lobby was stolen from me:

Position: Forum Moderator Description: The forum moderator is the peace keeper of the forums. Their responsibilities include sticking the most relevant threads to the lobby wall, moving topics to their appropriate location, judging and enforcing rules violations in forums, and creating topics of interest. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You enjoy reading TheLastProphet’s and MeetTerry’s posts. You are organized.

Position: Games Moderator Description: The Games Moderator will have several responsibilities all of which include keeping the community having fun. The Games mod will be in charge of choosing the stickied setups, hosting setups and introducing new ones, hosting forum games or alternative games outside of sandbox or promoting games others are hosting. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You are creative. You are a good host. You enjoy the mafia based aspect of this mafia simulator site.

Position: Enforcer Moderator Description: The Enforcer Moderator will be the strong arm of the law. They must enforce the rules and will make no leeway for personal relationships. While all mods enforce the rules, the Enforcer Mod will be the primary mod to handle violations, give out punishment, police the lobby wall and lobby chat, and serve anyone who feels their experience in sandbox is being affected by other users. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You consider yourself tempered and level-headed. You are neither an SJW nor a racist. You’re not going to go on a banning spree.

Position: Community Moderator Description: The Community Mod will come up with the lobby announcements. They can keep the community up to date with events users are hosting such as: plugdj, discord, jackbox and movie nights. They will also lead design based aspects of sandbox including choosing the lobby banner, the lobby background, and the lobby polls. You should apply if: You are a very active user. You don’t need to be an artist but should have artistic taste. You communicate well with others and are up to date on social happenings.

We would put great empashize on having more community-orientented games like Dooze's Sandbox Assassin and Amelio's Sandbox Big Brother, SupBros' large games, or Plissken's unique events. We would create a fun lobby where we constantly have events being run and promote these events well rather than leaving the lobby stagnant as I talked about earlier and just having the same setup being hosted every single day.

I had great interest in running a lobby with an enforced set of rules, yet lenient when it needs to be. I had great interest I running the lobby with a policy in which everyone can play in Sandbox, but those who constantly interfere with the functioning of the lobby will be barred from playing here, a fair chance policy. This policy would also state that the moderators and even the owner themselves could not hold grudges and act due to that fact and this would include a fair chance when choosing moderators as well. With the fair chance policy, the moderators must live up to the rule as well and will be held to the highest of standards. In the event we had a moderator abusing their powers like error did, they would be removed from their position because of their interference with the functioning of the lobby. The main rules I believe need to be enforced are those that protect the people from legitimately feeling unsafe within the lobby. The people doxing users, threatening to reveal someone's personal information, and effectively chasing out our active userbase should not be allowed in this lobby -- and Bebop & friends are no stranger to doing this.

http://i.imgur.com/EmBybqe.png Bebop on who he thought the next Sandbox owner would be

http://i.imgur.com/XCsxx5M.png As we know, Bebop and his friends are no strangers to doxing users and threatening to reveal their personal information, this whatever it takes attitude is very telling.

http://i.imgur.com/pIHybZb.png He is not interested in working with the two moderators that have actually been beneficial to this lobby in recent memory. We can easily assume the hivemind believes the same.

I applied to be a moderator of this lobby under other owners in the past and have included my desire to be apart of a team with conflicting opinions in the application, and I have that same wish today and I wish to have people argue against me during these open forum discussions and I wish for people to play devil's advocate and I want to come to the best decisions possible as a result of this. I think it is crucial that everyone feels as though they can speak their true mind instead of feeling like they'll be punished for saying something the owner disagrees with like the moderators felt during Bebop's reign. I may not always make the best executive decision, but if someone can win a debate about something I did, then I think it is very telling that I made the wrong decision because if I was right, I should be able to defend myself and my decision. When Bebop made the many poor decisions he made during his reigns and the community argued against him, he resorted to arguing using jokes and memes to avoid having to actually argue and defend his decision -- this was one of the things I could not stand to do as owner as it is cowardly and it is not for the good of the people.

I was not interested in being pushed around by the site moderators (this is why they removed me, they knew I would not bow down to them) because these same site moderators are the same people that do nothing and in fact, support the doxing, threatening, and chasing away of our people from Sandbox. We needed someone to stand up to these people and I do believe we still need that. No one should fear for their safety on a mafia simulator site, this site should be to have fun, but it is most definitely not fun to have your personal information taken from you and it is not fun to be threatened with it.

I was the owner of this lobby and I was going to make it a great environment for all of us, but the fact is that it wasn't stolen from me -- it was stolen from all of you. During Bebop's reign, I was very much against the shady things Bebop & his friends were doing and fought to expose them and I did so, these people are not looking out for anyone but themselves and those who are in their hivemind. Edark removed me from the owner position because of many things including me openly stating that I do not feel as though he is fit to be an administrator ad he knew he could not control me or intimidate me. Edark did not come to me to ask me what my plans were or what my stance on any controversial issues were like that of the hateful comments rule that he asked baaabaa about when she was the interm owner -- he just removed me. Now the lobby is under the control of someone who has supported doxing users, threatening to reveal their personal information, and then chasing these same users out of the lobby out of fear -- and I just do not find this acceptable. If the people do not believe me to be the right fit to become owner once more, then I am formally giving my support to lobby moderator Dooze as I know she will implement these ideas and many others in order to protect all of you from people like Bebop, Edark, and friends.

Thank you, Jamal Marley

almost 8 years
edgy af
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What do u guys think about using Reich eagles as avs
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xxerox says


MrMongrel says

posting isis videos as a joke just makes you seem like an edgelord tbh, i dont think its worth a vio though.


Then how posting a hitler picture , or naz.i picture considered for a vio? Why is Naz.i in the curse filter?


Considering I don't make the rules I don't have an answer for that? I think thats just as edgy tbh,
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xxerox says

When someone posts a Hitler picture, he imediate recieves a violation and the picture is deleted. Even if it is a joke.


1. i really don't think pictures of hitler are auto vio
2. i posted an arabic song that had been used by them, not pro-isis propaganda


xxerox says

People die every day because Isis kills people.

And you make stupid jokes and get away with it ?


i don't know what this is supposed to mean, it sounds like you're saying ISIS should kill me for making stupid jokes but i doubt that's the intended effect


xxerox says

And then you have the guts to say you never did anything wrong.


comedy is subjective, i'm sorry if you don't find it funny but some people do


xxerox says

You are a troll. And you are fine good at it. But as a proper human you are nothing.


ok
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MrMongrel says

posting isis videos as a joke just makes you seem like an edgelord tbh, i dont think its worth a vio though.


Then how posting a hitler picture , or naz.i picture considered for a vio? Why is Naz.i in the curse filter? I mean, people just joke with it.

Are you ok with naz.i propaganda and pictures of death and destruction?

If they are just a joke i mean :)
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posting isis videos as a joke just makes you seem like an edgelord tbh, i dont think its worth a vio though.
almost 8 years
When someone posts a Hitler picture, he imediate recieves a violation and the picture is deleted. Even if it is a joke.

People die every day because Isis kills people.

And you make stupid jokes and get away with it ?

And then you have the guts to say you never did anything wrong.

You are a troll. And you are fine good at it. But as a proper human you are nothing.
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Bebop, are you saying Isis is funny? That is ok to post videos of them as a joke?
almost 8 years
I dislike how Forum Spam is very lenient. People who troll in important threads should be warned and their posts deleted.
almost 8 years

xxerox says

Most violations are from mail loby games which you don't play. And besides , untill now you had edark behind your back.


i have over 100 games in main lobby on this account alone, and i play even more on my alts


xxerox says

You guys don't moderate forum trolling or forum spam, you dont violate hatefull comments and Innapropriate Content.


yes we do


xxerox says

If i was admin, you would get a violation for that video.


that's a good argument against you being admin in my opinion
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Bebop says


celestial says


Bebop says

uh, no. as in i've literally never had a violation.


what about king cnut? BUSTED


that didnt even get a vio it just said it did


how dare you ruin my memes like this
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celestial says


Bebop says

uh, no. as in i've literally never had a violation.


what about king cnut? BUSTED


that didnt even get a vio it just said it did
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Bebop says


xxerox says


Bebop says

posting ISIS songs and occasionally using """bad language""" =/= being not nice to people

i follow the rules and i'm nice, please provide instances of me breaking the rules. i've never even had a single violation.


Same way Edark never had a single violation?


uh, no. as in i've literally never had a violation.


Most violations are from mail loby games which you don't play. And besides , untill now you had edark behind your back.

You guys don't moderate forum trolling or forum spam, you dont violate hatefull comments and Innapropriate Content.

If i was admin, you would get a violation for that video.
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Bebop says

uh, no. as in i've literally never had a violation.


what about king cnut? BUSTED
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Floor says


Ashe says

stuff


Bebop or edark or whoever you want can be the most corrupt, heinous people in the world.

Who cares.

Just get the contact info of the people you like and stop visiting the site.


xxerox says

stuff


go to main


Jamal says

stupid example


Same with Ashe, if you think this sites management is so bad, no one is forcing you to visit.


My original comment was on why you people have even put so much importance on this site that you have to be so dramatic and vocal about it, especially when it's completely optional to visit.


Stupid example? It's the same thing that is happening with other users on this site forcing them to leave. This site should be just to have fun and relax, but how it is now is not how it intended to be.

The only difference is with my example is that you'd be willingly giving your information to me whereas people on this website are having their information taken without their consent and threatened with it.

It's clear you don't want me with your information because you don't know what I could do with it because I don't see a message in my inbox with your information, so again, why not take this seriously when it is happening to other users?

You can just abandon the site or you can fight to change it, I choose the latter, but many people HAVE left the site because they are being threatened to have their own personal information revealed to the public. Management allowing this to happen is not something that should be happening and I do not want others on the site to face the same issue.

Not everyone is just going to pack up and leave the site because there will always be many people that believe that their personal information won't be stolen, it won't be revealed, but it could be them and regardless of who it is, it should not happen.
almost 8 years
you're welcome to go through the ~150 reports on me to check if you like
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xxerox says


Bebop says

posting ISIS songs and occasionally using """bad language""" =/= being not nice to people

i follow the rules and i'm nice, please provide instances of me breaking the rules. i've never even had a single violation.


Same way Edark never had a single violation?


uh, no. as in i've literally never had a violation.
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almost 8 years

Bebop says

posting ISIS songs and occasionally using """bad language""" =/= being not nice to people

i follow the rules and i'm nice, please provide instances of me breaking the rules. i've never even had a single violation.


Same way Edark never had a single violation?
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posting ISIS songs and occasionally using """bad language""" =/= being not nice to people

i follow the rules and i'm nice, please provide instances of me breaking the rules. i've never even had a single violation.
almost 8 years
Actually, i have never seen a genuine person to act like you.

A genuine person is normal.

You are the one acting aloof and snobby.
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Bebop says


xxerox says


Bebop says

well, literally none of it has proof but i won't deny using bad words or posting an ISIS song, both of which are jokes


Moderators should not joke around with something like this.


that's your opinion, i'd much rather have a more genuine mod than one who acts aloof and snobby


I rather have a mod who follows the rules and is nice to everyone and doesn't joke with isis songs or trolls on a daily basis.
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Floor says


My original comment was on why you people have even put so much importance on this site that you have to be so dramatic and vocal about it, especially when it's completely optional to visit.


UMM EXCUSE ME I'M FORCED TO VISIT THIS SITE AT GUNPOINT PLS SEND HELP
almost 8 years

Ashe says

stuff


Bebop or edark or whoever you want can be the most corrupt, heinous people in the world.

Who cares.

Just get the contact info of the people you like and stop visiting the site.


xxerox says

stuff


go to main


Jamal says

stupid example


Same with Ashe, if you think this sites management is so bad, no one is forcing you to visit.


My original comment was on why you people have even put so much importance on this site that you have to be so dramatic and vocal about it, especially when it's completely optional to visit.
almost 8 years

xxerox says


Bebop says

well, literally none of it has proof but i won't deny using bad words or posting an ISIS song, both of which are jokes


Moderators should not joke around with something like this.


that's your opinion, i'd much rather have a more genuine mod than one who acts aloof and snobby