Epicmafia

"you can't be racist to whites"

over 8 years

This is what moderator Hibiki proclaimed in defense of this appeal: https://epicmafia.com/report/178422 (I have collected photo evidence in case the report/comments are removed.)

I'm not going to argue the meaning of racism because I don't want to. I know all the trade counter-arguments to any dictionary definition.

Let's start by pointing out historical examples of racism against groups historically considered caucasian. I don't know what definition the mod team uses for caucasian but it shouldn't matter since they mod a mafia sim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

All three of these groups had genocide committed on them because they were members of the groups. These groups were ethnic, meaning they had at least a genetic and possibly a cultural/linguistic affiliation with each other. Was the extermination of the Jews by the hands of Germany not a case of racism against white people?

How about cases of systemic racism against certain white ethnicities?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism#18th_century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism#Violence_against_Italians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_for_the_Settlement_of_Ireland_1652

Here are several cases of systemic racism against white ethnicities. Are the mods going to tell me that the Irish displacement and following Irish slave trade aren't racist?

Your politics are interfering with the moderation process, and that's not okay. A white nationalist shouldn't no-vio an HC report calling black people the N-word.

deletedover 8 years

That post was for you Sirius, wherever you are, stay beautiful

deletedover 8 years

I've got an Archer gif for every situation.

Golbolco

over 8 years

Edark says

Man, I sure was ignorant for thinking jews meant jews

Nothing's wrong with thinking Jews are usually Jewish, but it's important to make the distinction.

Edark

over 8 years

Giga13

over 8 years

didn't read much of the thread but i saw hibiki's comment in the report. not sure if it was ironic or whatever (as a mod usually it's good to cut down on irony posts), but if it is not an irony post, you can definitely be racist to white people

d i s c l a i m e r : this statement has nothing to do with the report in question or its outcome

Edark

over 8 years

haha wait no Im not you're just an idiot

Edark

over 8 years

Man, I sure was ignorant for thinking jews meant jews

Golbolco

over 8 years

leo says

Golbolco says

leo says

oh wait, it gets better because if you want to classify jews as white people during the holocaust, you're going by "historically" considered as white people, which is CRT, which wasn't invented until

wait for it

the 1980s.

while the holocaust happened 50 years prior.

What is CRT?

Old ethnographic maps illustrating the three races would classify Jews as white; this one in particular is from 1885 (though it is not detailed to break down the races into anything more than subraces.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race#/media/File:Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg

The Nazis didn't just think poorly of non-whites; it was all non-Nords and Mediterraneans. This is why they went after Slavs and I believe they had plans for wiping out the Irish and Britons after they had secured an alliance/conquered the UK.

"in the public domain of the united states"

ah, yes, 1880s america. we had all the knowledge of all cultures, races, and identities back then... and accurate, too!

td;lr this is a clusterfuck of hysteria, it was worth a read and a lol

Nobody's saying that they knew everything back then; don't most people consider the three classical races myths anyways? They don't even have Turks labeled as white people when recently it's been found that Anatolian Turks are actually pretty much the same genetically as Greeks.

However, are you going to sit here and tell me that Ashekanazi and Sephardic Jews are not "white", even if that just means their skin is white?

leo

over 8 years

Golbolco says

leo says

oh wait, it gets better because if you want to classify jews as white people during the holocaust, you're going by "historically" considered as white people, which is CRT, which wasn't invented until

wait for it

the 1980s.

while the holocaust happened 50 years prior.

What is CRT?

Old ethnographic maps illustrating the three races would classify Jews as white; this one in particular is from 1885 (though it is not detailed to break down the races into anything more than subraces.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race#/media/File:Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg

The Nazis didn't just think poorly of non-whites; it was all non-Nords and Mediterraneans. This is why they went after Slavs and I believe they had plans for wiping out the Irish and Britons after they had secured an alliance/conquered the UK.

"in the public domain of the united states"

ah, yes, 1880s america. we had all the knowledge of all cultures, races, and identities back then... and accurate, too!

td;lr this is a clusterfuck of hysteria, it was worth a read and a lol

Golbolco

over 8 years

leo says

oh wait, it gets better because if you want to classify jews as white people during the holocaust, you're going by "historically" considered as white people, which is CRT, which wasn't invented until

wait for it

the 1980s.

while the holocaust happened 50 years prior.

What is CRT?

Old ethnographic maps illustrating the three races would classify Jews as white; this one in particular is from 1885 (though it is not detailed to break down the races into anything more than subraces.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race#/media/File:Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg

The Nazis didn't just think poorly of non-whites; it was all non-Nords and Mediterraneans. This is why they went after Slavs and I believe they had plans for wiping out the Irish and Britons after they had secured an alliance/conquered the UK.

leo

over 8 years

oh wait, it gets better because if you want to classify jews as white people during the holocaust, you're going by "historically" considered as white people, which is CRT, which wasn't invented until

wait for it

the 1980s.

while the holocaust happened 50 years prior.

Golbolco

over 8 years

leo says

Golbolco says

leo says

i'm guessing you think muslims are a race, too

Islam is a religion of which many members are Malays, Arabs, Iranians, North Africans, Turks, Albanians, and Bosnians, along with a myriad of other groups. "Jew" is a term applied to both a Semitic ethnic group that originated in the land formerly known as Canaan; the Jews have typically had a religious affiliation with Judaism. It is important to make the distinction between Jews the ethnic group and Jews the religious observers, as many Jews are non-observing or have converted to other religions throughout history.

so why did you link the holocaust offhandedly without mentioning the fact you meant them as the "race jew"( lmfao ) and not the "religious jew"

Because the Nazis targeted Jews based off of both their religiosity and their semitism. The religiosity was just easier to figure out, but there were cases of people being taken away for "looking like Jews".

I'm surprised nobody has brought up my example of the Romani; I figured that would be the most controversial choice for an oppressed white group.

leo

over 8 years

Golbolco says

leo says

i'm guessing you think muslims are a race, too

Islam is a religion of which many members are Malays, Arabs, Iranians, North Africans, Turks, Albanians, and Bosnians, along with a myriad of other groups. "Jew" is a term applied to both a Semitic ethnic group that originated in the land formerly known as Canaan; the Jews have typically had a religious affiliation with Judaism. It is important to make the distinction between Jews the ethnic group and Jews the religious observers, as many Jews are non-observing or have converted to other religions throughout history.

so why did you link the holocaust offhandedly without mentioning the fact you meant them as the "race jew" ( lmfao ) and not the "religious jew"

Golbolco

over 8 years

leo says

i'm guessing you think muslims are a race, too

Islam is a religion of which many members are Malays, Arabs, Iranians, North Africans, Turks, Albanians, and Bosnians, along with a myriad of other groups. "Jew" is a term applied to both a Semitic ethnic group that originated in the land formerly known as Canaan; the Jews have typically had a religious affiliation with Judaism. It is important to make the distinction between Jews the ethnic group and Jews the religious observers, as many Jews are non-observing or have converted to other religions throughout history.

Endorphins

over 8 years

Ya, white people are immune to people hating them based on the colour of their skin.

leo

over 8 years

i'm guessing you think muslims are a race, too

Golbolco

over 8 years

peach says

gobolco dude even the word caucasian is outdated and inaccurate as f*ck to describe all white people. u sound like me in 7th grade

As far as I know, this is the most widely-used term to describe Semites, Hamites, Uralians, people of the Caucasus, Indo-Europeans, Basques, and several extinct groups such as Sumerians, Etruscans and the semi-legendary Japhethites.

peach says

**official HC rule change announcement**: the gays are no longer oppressed and heterosexuals are now the minority. the slur "breeder" is now reportable and perpetrators will face a $500 fine and permanent site ban. u have been warned

I think that if the mods would add an oppression clause to the HC rule, that'd be fine. I just want to see the rule enforced as-is.

hima says

IMPLYING THAT ARMENIANS AND JEWISH PPL ARE WHITE LMAO

this is some good discourse gol. please, continue to make a fool of yourself

Armenians are most closely related to Hellenes who migrated to the Greek Peninsula in the mid 3rd millennium BC. Jews have been identified as semites and classified as caucasian since racial theory became a thing (and yes, to have this debate we have to assume that the three classical races are accepted as fact by the EpicMafia moderation team.)

deletedover 8 years

Swampert says

i cant be white if im jewish? damn..

unironically call yourself transracial. People will assume you're joking but deep inside you'll know it's the truth

hima

over 8 years

mist says

b-but hima they're CAUCASIAN...

dam those caucasians... living in the caucasas and having absolutely nothing to do with white people..... who do they think they are

Swampert

over 8 years

i cant be white if im jewish? damn..

Zhuorb

over 8 years

Is this supposed to be satire?

deletedover 8 years

b-but hima they're CAUCASIAN...

hima

over 8 years

IMPLYING THAT ARMENIANS AND JEWISH PPL ARE WHITE LMAO

this is some good discourse gol. please, continue to make a fool of yourself

deletedover 8 years

it's impossible to be racist against people from Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and certain parts of the Russian Federation & Turkey.

peach

over 8 years

**official HC rule change announcement**: the gays are no longer oppressed and heterosexuals are now the minority. the slur "breeder" is now reportable and perpetrators will face a $500 fine and permanent site ban. u have been warned