They are absolutely blank about it. Any person is not allowed to force nl on meteor day if lynching gives them a chance to win. Because NL= confirmed loss. This moderator does not understand the simple thing that he can't know for sure if the person being voted was town. If he wanted to lynch the other guy he should have convinced the other person to vote his way. He is not allowed to force NL and confirm the loss for both parties. Else town will just force NL by saying that 2 different people have 2 different fos. This was clearly resolved by the earlier by each admin. How could you let the new moderators handle this without him knowing the rules.
Just clarify if the moderators judgement is correct or not. If it is then you know what is allowed. It literally means that players are allowed to split votes on MYLO in a meteor.
What if the person getting lynched was mafia? This new moderator just looks at it from a rookie point of view. He is being biased towards the town win scenario. Since the person being voted was town he is saying he was allowed to force NL. He should look at it from a neutral point of view and should judge without knowing what alignment was being lynched.
i am willing to do this in steps to explain the logic for those who struggle to follow it but the people who actually NEED to understand (the moderators) refuse to listen because i am an "arrogant prick" despite not even being remotely negative in any thread recently other than this one and the insomnia one
i'm "arrogant" because i'm getting frustrated with people refusing to recognise facts as fact and injecting their bias and "opinions" into a situation that is 100% mechanical and logical
whether or not you think i'm a prick doesn't change the fact that i am arguing objective truths
if you understand how meteor works then it's gamethrowing to choose an option that guarantees your loss when you have an option that doesn't guarantee your loss.
if you think that the person didn't understand then it's irrelevant to what you just said
no, it's not a case of who has the "right" but about what is optimal play. you are looking at it all wrong
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it isn't tho. yes, i get the whole unfairness bit. i've accounted for it, even thought up a mechanic that might circumvent it. but ultimately the doc saving on meteor night is still only to inject an insta-lose chance into the night-phase. mafia isn't as guilty; their action is necessarily a 'blow up the game' action
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I remember when billstickers hammered a meteor and then got me a gamethrowing violation for it. Ahh, epicmafia
i think both roles share responsibility for causing autoloss, yet only doc is given GT.
the doc save is predictable (repeatedly on the clear) so when you say doc is creating an inherent loss situation at night by using its save at all, that is overblown
I am not going to take sides right now. I am not an enemy or a friend of curreyggroll/Mellifluous. You should have a solid townread to force Nl in this situation. If you have solid TR and he's getting lynched, you know you just have to choose A) Lose and let mafia win B) You lose and mafia wins lose. Why let mafia win while you are sure you will lose by voting your TR? I understand that he couldn't have known, but still, Lust/Mellifluous is(or are) so mad they lost a single game that they reported user who avoided the loss for town (Yeah, it didn't matter for him, town was losing anyway) but mafia was so mad and desperate for win that they unfairly reported the following user. That must suck for Mellifluous/Lust. I am asking this question to Mellifluous/Lust, lol, aren't you ashamed? You desperately wanted a win and just because he didn't give a win to you freely, you reported him?
It shouldn't be GT in no means, especially I read the game and this is no GT. and Mellifluous is so mad that he reports him anyway. No one is at fault here.
It shouldn't be GT because he also saved a town. You can argue for hours with me, if you want, but he didn't lynch a town - At least, due to this fact, what he did was NOT GT.
no because i understand where nicole is coming from. it was just an unfair situation for him completely, and i don't think he had intent to GT at all hence why the note. i suppose he had intent to force meteor but again the situation was unlucky as hell, in the moment it could have seemed like the right thing to do. i could also see why he'd get GT here too. the meteor rule has always been hard
it's literally game throwing.. His town read COULD HAVE been mafia and he went from having a chance to lynch mafia to having no chance of winning the game.
Even if the guy blitz on his town read and they kicked he'd have to lynch his town read because his town read still could
have been mafia...
Unless your argument is that his town read had to be 100% correct because he knew all the roles, Prevail.
this is why i didn't comp GAI myself. i had it up for like a few hours, but then i remembered the meteor rule. thanks zwink for making the mods struggle, i owe ya one
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the mafia action is not in and of itself an instrument to cause an insta-loss. the doc save is. when it comes to ruling on reports between the mafia killing whoever and the doc saving on meteor night, the doc saving is pretty much inarguably greater crime; there is no rationalising around its existing solely to inject an insta-lose situation into the night-phase. mafia's kill might go through, doc's save is only to create possible insta-lose
Felons it was an example how an action can be defined, you can discuss about its validity before defining it, but what i want to achieve is for players to understand such actions need to be defined and they should demand them from moderators.
i agree that refunds in general are inconsistent, defining actions for meteor refunds would be a step forward to remove this inconsistency
for the report above, i'd say that forcing meteor is actually more GT than hammering a townread because AT LEAST you have a chance to win if you hammer your tr. but neither are gamethrowing, i just think that was maybe a note.
Stopped at 1000, didn't have to deal with these controversies
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Damn, I just came into this busting my 9
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There are some mods that don't even read the refund conformation thread. I had to post many different reports to refund and maybe 1 or 2 responded (usually togepi)
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