Meh. The thing is, mafia was supposed to claim a power role and get a guilty on who he thought was a mastermind. That was the strategy in overcoming the mastermind. Now it's kinda screwed... It's probably unusable in setups with stalker now. :/
"mastermind vote will be brought down to 1 to allow mafias a chance to "lynch" mm at night." Instead of this, implement something like the poli where mastermind still counts for 2 votes but that changes to zero if doing so makes him the kill target. I believe this was the original suggestion anyway.
Mastermind is now impervious to being found out now. Also the description is simple actually. If mafia is majority (including Mastermind now that it's mafia), and Mastermind is still alive, then Mastermind wins. However, if he's not alive, mafia can win.
Not sure if it's intentional, but mafia with their own meetings separate from the mafia meeting can figure out who the mastermind is right from the get-go. IE a Disguiser will have one more person in his Disguiser Meeting than he will have in his mafia meeting. That person is the mastermind.
Also, it might just be me, but the description is misleading in the "Mastermind wins if Mafia wins and is still alive." This seems to imply (if not states it outright) that the mafia must win in order for the mastermind to be able to win as well, which is not the case.
Disclaimer - I still don't really understand this role much, partially because some of the description is confusing, if not outright wrong
This role leads to weird type of bussing, since when you learn who the mafia/mastermind is you try to get them lynched. It's shitty because the about-to-be-lynched mastermind can just out the mafia. Guiser sort of decreases the effect, but there should be some way for mafia-mastermind joint.
Very nice; the bad thing is kingmaker situations with a fool/lyncher/somethingelse, the other third party gets to choose whether mastermind or maf wins. I don't like kingmaker situations.
It's a 3rd party role, and like all 3rd party roles it takes a while for setups to be formed. But I think it's a potent role when people know how to use it.
I don't understand the two votes part. Is Mastermind able to kill alone with two votes (for example, in a set up with two mafia left including mastermind, will the Masterminds votes be enough to kill while the partner votes no one?)
Mastermind will know all mafia by looking who is a killable option and IF he does get a lynch on himself, he will rat out his mafia pals. Unless of course, when mastermind is in mafia meeting, they can kill ANYONE including mastermind himself. If mastermind knows mafia, it's a shitty role.
edge, it's cause mastermind is counted as 3rd party. So, say in 5 way with 2 nillas a mastermind and 2 blues, one more blue needs to die before mastermind wins.
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It doesn't make sense. If mastermind is alive and mafia has majority, mastermind should win. HOWEVER If mastermind is alive, mafia cant win, and as a result mastermind cant win.
Mehrdad, those are some sound-looking rolesm however the secret to getting it plussed is proper punctuation and formatting. People respect your work much better if its polished-looking. They simply assume that if the formatting looks crappy, the content will be crappy, too and won't even bother reading it.
