Augustine i thought of (i think) a better analogy. Its like you going 70 in a 45, but some guy in front of you was going 90 in a 45, both pulled over, and you try to convince the cops to just ignore you and focus on the higher speeder

But again asking the mod team to bother reading something for more than 3s is a big request.

This is like getting pulled over for driving 68mph in a 65mph zone. Yeah, I broke the law but I didn't break the spirit of the law.

Melody that was obvious from minute 1 and even was described one comment lower than yours if you had bothered to read the comments for more than 3 seconds, that's not really what it's about.

IMO--This was clearly spamming. Caro asked a number of times for the spamming to cease, it didn't. There was absolutely no game-related material in what you were saying, nor was it strategic. It was just, to be frank, spam.

Did further thinking, my avenue while viable imo isn't as convincing as reflexively thought and this should 100% be upheld. (And under the current rule system this actually should have been an instant sustain-the real question is how you moderate games when the strong majority are trolling, not whether the rule was broken because that much was obvious)

i lied a stalling violation is a bad idea. but getting rid of spam is still good. ok

Hey i've got nothing against fixing the rules for the better, just trying to defend the rules as they currently are (pending a change, i'll adjust)

i wouldn't sustain a report when it's a ripe time for change jack my boy

actually if i were to have it my way i'd replace the spamming violation with a stalling violation that is a bit less severe than trolling because stalling is a pretty petty offense

So you admit that they repeatedly sent the same message, k sustain this and close it ez pz

for the fight analogy it's more like the others were onlookers cheering on the fight, those people aren't in the wrong

i'm basically arguing that the rule is bad and i made that explicit from the beginning that i wasn't arguing that it wasn't "repeatedly sending the same message etc.". as for the assumption, no i don't think there's evidence that it's true, i don't see why empire and ditto would have done it less without others chipping in, as if they were even paying attention to that.

Well, given they all joined in when Ditto started it, I'm pretty sure it's a good assumption. Or do you believe they'd have all individually spammed that game regardless, as it was pre-destined???

The spamming rule says is "Repeatedly sending the same message and/or chat flooding." Nobody in their right mind can argue that didn't take place, if you want to make it so if it doesnt affect the gameplay then it shouldnt be a vio, rewrite the damn rule. This is clear cut breaking of the written rule for spamming, regardless of the intentions of those who "trolled" three other people still spammed

>assumption, yet you know it's true

that's an assumption though. idk empire did you feel compelled to do bad things by your peers encouragement?!

Well the spamming blatantly perpetuated further spamming there by doing it more.

no kalvon type "lolwot" in advanced search

I know this has nothing to do with the report but this has to be a record for comments on an appeal

the thing with OGI is that it perpetrates the "ogi" further by doing it more. spamming isn't even really the violation here, it's the stalling, spamming is just how the game was stalled. what the others did did not affect how long the game was stalled. and i think spamming is a terrible violation because the only instances where it's violation worthy is where it would be interpreted as trolling

Goodbar's avenue of attack+implications for cases beyond just this one is actually really interesting even if my reflex is to disagree with it. I'll be surprised if it's enough to OT Aug's case but if it does that'll leave a very weird precedent. Not the avenue I would go for but I like it. On the other hand, I'm bored of messing with the mods so I'm off to do something equally useless but slightly less sad. Hint I'll give for alternate approach lies in implications of majority trolling.

Like all i'm saying goodbar is it sounds like youre saying because 2 people stalled and spammed, everyone else spamming after that is allowed to because they didn't start it, they just continued it. That's like if 2 guys start beating someone up, and 3 other guys join in because they "couldn't do anything about it" other than do it as well

OGI quite often spurs no different result at all. If I report someone for an ongoing game that gives alignment details away, but nobody sees the report, then it had 0 effect. Still an OGI vio, though. The others all can in some cases and can't in others.

actually all of those spur different results besides copied mechanics, and copying someone else's already copied report isn't violation worthy