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Pro Lifer Punched

almost 6 years

A Pro-Life man was punched while trying to say babies in front of Planned Parenthood.

Video in link below:

https://www.liveaction.org/news/pro-life-assaulted-abortion-facility/?utm_content=83151986&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&hss_channel=tw-18001922

NYC also recently passed a law allowing abortion up until birth. Is a baby 1 minute before birth less human then 1 minute after?

When should it be considered murder to kill a human?

shayneismyname

almost 6 years

It's not a documentary. It's a 5 minute video.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

I will check out the documentary.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

VanityAlter says

"How do you know reality is real?"

Because I utilize a defeater.

I trust my senses based upon their continued reliability. If you want to know if a pen works you pick it up and use it, if that meets the definition of circularity under your definition than we can't justify that we even exist, because conscientiousness works the exact same way, you know it "works" by using it.

Finally, I am the same who feels, that is to say, who perceives certain things, as by the organs of sense, since in truth I see light, I hear noise, I feel heat. But [sometimes it might be claimed or I might realise] that these phenomena are false and that I am dreaming. Let it be so; still it is at least quite certain that it seems to me that I see light, that I hear noise and that I feel heat. That cannot be false; properly speaking it is what is in me called feeling; and used in this precise sense that is no other thing than thinking … [p]erception is neither an act of vision, nor of touch, nor of imagination … but only an intuition of the mind, which may be imperfect and confused … or clear and distinct … according as my attention is more or less directed to the elements which are found in it, and of which it is composed

http://newlearningonline.com/new-learning/chapter-7/descartes-i-think-therefore-i-am

That reminded me of "I think therefore I am". How Descartes questioned the reliability of his senses.
What is a defeater?

shayneismyname

almost 6 years

SnowPuppy says

@shayne
Well I have no comment on the heaven part.
But I do support building the wall it will help stop child trafficking which is very bad, also less drugs.

A nation without borders is conquered.

Curious where along the border a lot of children trafficked that a wall would help. Drugs, too. The wall seems very needless and symbolic, and just fulfilling some of his campaign promises at any cost. The border is already quite well-manned.

You SHOULD be very angry when people co-opt your faith for political gain though! Like all of those politicians who are anti-gay who get caught with call-boys, or the politicians who are all pro-life unless they knock up their mistress.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

@shayne
Well I have no comment on the heaven part.
But I do support building the wall it will help stop child trafficking which is very bad, also less drugs.

A nation without borders is conquered.

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"How do you know reality is real?"

Because I utilize a defeater.

I trust my senses based upon their continued reliability. If you want to know if a pen works you pick it up and use it, if that meets the definition of circularity under your definition than we can't justify that we even exist, because conscientiousness works the exact same way, you know it "works" by using it.

Everything else is epistemological garbage.

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SnowPuppy says

The axiom is God is good.

Your axiom is an epistemological circle, which is primarily why it should be discounted via occam's razor, it's an unnecessary variable in a complicated solution that could be vastly simplified with its deletion.

Bible -> God -> Bible -> God ect...

"The bible is true because god, God is true because bible, I know the god wrote the bible because it says so in the bible, and I know god is good because it's in the bible ect..."

shayneismyname

almost 6 years

meant this tweet. hopefully it links right this time

https://twitter.com/Jenn198523/status/1085997489629478912

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SnowPuppy says

I can't see that tweet. It just says MAGA lol

I agree with her on the tweet that I linked. I haven't read her entire feed.

Make America Great Again!

shayneismyname says

Who would have thought this thread would go from this

SnowPuppy says

So when you're pregnant with a boy does the woman have a p3nis? Or 2 heartbeats?

to just two people quoting scripture at one another.

Tbh it was a really interesting conversation o,o

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VanityPrime says

The basic argument that I hear from people is this

"You shouldn't change the abortion laws because that's immoral, anyone who advocates changing the law therefor is bad"

I'm fine with this one, as long as they are consistent, which very few people besides actual academics are (like Peter Singer) However, then they immediately move to this premise once challenged on it.

"Morality and the Law aren't the same thing, we shouldn't make laws based on morality"

It pains me that people don't see the contradiction in this.

People that argue like this are the reason abortion should be legal.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

I can't see that tweet. It just says MAGA lol

I agree with her on the tweet that I linked. I haven't read her entire feed.

shayneismyname

almost 6 years

Yeah Jenn, just use your religion to justify building a border wall. https://twitter.com/Jenn198523/status/1085996901877506048

shayneismyname

almost 6 years

Yikes. That Jenn has a very disturbing Twitter feed. Hope you don't agree with her on a lot.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

Well on the topic of life, This is an amazing testimony so cold, so dark, it's wild.

https://twitter.com/Jenn198523/status/1090933078082519040

shayneismyname

almost 6 years

Who would have thought this thread would go from this

SnowPuppy says

So when you're pregnant with a boy does the woman have a p3nis? Or 2 heartbeats?

to just two people quoting scripture at one another.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

The axiom is God is good.

How do you know reality is real?

And for me to imagine an evil God based on the Bible would violate Occam's Razor.

I could imagine an infinite variety of justifications for the reality we now live in.

VanityPrime

almost 6 years

SnowPuppy says

I support an overthrow of Kim Jong-un because he is a tyrannical despot who violate's God's laws by abusing people.

But not the celestial dictatorship which justifies
slavery (Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:2-5, Leviticus 25:44, Leviticus 25:44-46, Deuteronomy 24:7, Deuteronomy 20:10-15)
stoning apostates (Deuteronomy 13)
and genocide (1 Samuel 15:3)

How are you confident you aren't worshiping the evil god again?

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

Matthew 22: 36-40 (ESV)
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

It is true the Bible calls us to be good subjects to our governing authorities.

However this only goes insofar as they do not violate God's laws.

Exodus 20:4
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

Is the 2nd Commandment, if we place the government in the place of God. We are committing idolatry.

God's laws always supersede the governments laws, if the government tells us to murder innocents we are to obey God, not the government.

I support an overthrow of Kim Jong-un because he is a tyrannical despot who violate's God's laws by abusing people.

VanityPrime

almost 6 years

SnowPuppy says

Also I don't believe thinking about sin is equivalent to doing sin.

Otherwise it would be evidenced in the old testament.

You would see people stoned for thought crimes.

Freedom is Slavery: (Philippians 1:1, Romans 1:1, Romans 7:25)

Ignorance is Strength: (2 Corinthians 10:5, Matthew 15:19, Philippians 4:8, Colossians 1:21)

War is Peace.

You must love big brother more than you love yourself SnowPuppy.

VanityPrime

almost 6 years

SnowPuppy says

God judges us for our thought's not other men.

How is that honestly your position?

Is god Kim John-un?

Do we live in a celestial north-korean hellhole where we can be convicted and sentenced for "thinking" about things the supreme leader doesn't like?

How are you certain that this god you believe in isn't evil?

'Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience"

Romans 13:1-14 (ESV)

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

But in this verse God is judging man.
Not commanding man to judge man.

Also I don't believe thinking about sin is equivalent to doing sin.

Otherwise it would be evidenced in the old testament.

You would see people stoned for thought crimes.

VanityPrime

almost 6 years

SnowPuppy says

I haven't see the Bible advocate Christians punishing people for sinful thoughts.

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his
brother without a cause shall be in danger of the
judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca,
shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall
say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Matthew 5:22

Both these lines are from Jesus Christ, stating that those who "Think" about sin are equivalent to those who "do" sin.

The last line of Matthew 5:22 confirms that it's a damnable offense worthy of eternal suffering.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

God judges us for our thought's not other men.

SnowPuppy

almost 6 years

I haven't see the Bible advocate Christians punishing people for sinful thoughts.

VanityPrime

almost 6 years

SnowPuppy says

?

Lust in your heart = Adultery

The bible strictly defines the only valid sexual intercourse is between man and wife, anything else is inherently sinful, even thoughts

If you want to be consistent with your position that the bible is the ultimate authority of morality, anyone who thinks about having sex with someone else should be punished equally to those who commit the actual act of adultery.

You're engaging in cafeteria christianity towards scripture, because otherwise your position would be completely untenable.