Epicmafia

New Roles

about 7 years

Hello everyone! I would like to ask the people who are interested in this event to participate and contribute as much as possible.

In order for 2 new roles to be added to em, the community has to work together to refine the ideas that are going to be mentioned below. We have to collectively select 2 of the best ideas and make sure their version is the best one possible. The next step would be to come up with some sort of artwork for the selected roles. Lucid mentioned something about rewarding the users behind the artwork that would get selected in the end for those 2 roles.

Jack the Ripper (originally Hypocrite)

Jack the Ripper hates anyone who kills.
Jack the Ripper only wins when the game ends and all murderers are dead.
If Jack the Ripper receives a gun or knife and kills someone with it, he will not consider himself a murderer.
To Jack the Ripper, murderers are killing roles or any other player that has successfully eliminated someone else (shot, stabbed, blown up, etc.)
If a player survives one of these actions, Jack the Ripper will not consider the attacker a murderer. (~Jennings)

Cat Lady

Chooses one player every night. The player is instantly alerted that a cat is at their door. They have two options: Kill the cat, and let it go. If you kill the cat, you are roleblocked and the Cat Lady doesn't know who was visited. If you let it go, the Cat Lady learns your role.
Sided with the mafia. (~Her)

Robinhood

Visits two people, taking all items from the first and giving them to the second (cannot visit self either way)
Action fails if trying to steal from a mafia
Sided with the village (~Torreador)

Vice President

If the president dies, takes their place
All townies immediately receive a message of their new president
Attends mafia meetings, and makes them anonymous
Cannot win if they are the vice president (~Alyssa)

Gossiper

Chooses one person every night.
Will see some whispers this person receives/makes.
Gossiper's action does not count as a visit.
Sided with the mafia. (~Soluciones)

(revising) the Seer

Knows all mafia from the beginning of the game.
If lynched at the end of the game, the last mafia can guess who the Seer is for autowin.
If the Seer dies, they will appear as a random (non-mafia) role in the setup and their will will always be blank. If dead, the mafia can still attempt a guess to the Seer's identity at the end of the game.
If there are multiple Seers in a game, only one Seer will know the mafia at any given time.
If there are two mafias and multiple Seers, the knowledge of the mafias will be split between them.
Sided with the village. (~Shwartz99)

Whistleblower

Once per game can force someone to vote someone else. Vote cannot be OT'D if it is a hammer. Sided with maf (Will create more tension in selfing/hammering based setups (~Moldyches)

Soldier

If they are the last man standing against a single mafia or third party, the village wins.
Sided with the village. (~XFire)

PowerTown

Each night chooses a power role from the options provided to him. (the mods should determine the list)
Night meeting goes accordingly
Sided with the village

PowerMafia

Each night chooses a mafia role from the list.
Night meeting goes accordingly
Sided with the mafia

admin

almost 7 years

Golbolco says

admin says

should we rename what demolition man puts on people a 'detonator', since anarchist already gives out bombs?

Good idea.

Should the Bomb role itself be changed so that it starts by holding a detonator, like how bulletproofs start with vests?

yes, i can rework that, but the detonator for Bomb should be unstealable

Golbolco

almost 7 years

admin says

should we rename what demolition man puts on people a 'detonator', since anarchist already gives out bombs?

Good idea.

Should the Bomb role itself be changed so that it starts by holding a detonator, like how bulletproofs start with vests?

admin

almost 7 years

should we rename what demolition man puts on people a 'detonator', since anarchist already gives out bombs?

admin

almost 7 years

i need to get rid of spritesheets altogether, it's so 2000's and now we have http2

Golbolco

almost 7 years

PatrykSzczescie says

roleimg?

https://epicmafia.com/images/roleimg.png

It’s where all of the role icons are kept.

PatrykSzczescie

almost 7 years

roleimg?

PatrykSzczescie

almost 7 years

Seeing confused cop icons in lobby games list was so troll I didn't know which roles were included.

Golbolco

almost 7 years

PatrykSzczescie says

Golbolco says

PatrykSzczescie says

- Lucid comes back to make new roles into EM, asking the community for suggestions.
- Lucid decides to make 2 roles.
- Lucid keeps making more roles that he can implement as long as users find for them a blave icon.
- Lucid keeps making more roles regardless if they have an icon or not.

Clear your cache.

Took a day to implement icons.

They were up yesterday on the roleimg.

PatrykSzczescie

almost 7 years

Golbolco says

PatrykSzczescie says

- Lucid comes back to make new roles into EM, asking the community for suggestions.
- Lucid decides to make 2 roles.
- Lucid keeps making more roles that he can implement as long as users find for them a blave icon.
- Lucid keeps making more roles regardless if they have an icon or not.

Clear your cache.

Took a day to implement icons.

sl0nderman

almost 7 years

MafAllAlong says

sl0nderman says

]There is a 50% chance that they Graveyard Whisper's message is false, so there's no reason to listen to him.

What if for instance the Graveyard Whisperer flipped maf 30 percent of the time

if the graveyard whisperer flipped maf 1% of te time it would give town reasonable means to ignore it.
rng, chances, these things should not be part of mafia.

MafAllAlong

almost 7 years

sl0nderman says

]There is a 50% chance that they Graveyard Whisper's message is false, so there's no reason to listen to him.

What if for instance the Graveyard Whisperer flipped maf 30 percent of the time

Golbolco

almost 7 years

What if all third party wincons have to be satisfied before the Supervillain wins? So e.g. Fool lynch won't immediately end the game until creepy girl's target is dead and mistletoe has made everyone fall in love.

That was my idea with making the Supervillain target all the Thirds: if they're all working together to stop the Supervillain, they have much more of a chance. I see where you're coming from though, there's probably some edge cases that must be worked through.

MafAllAlong

almost 7 years

[quote=sl0nderman]. There is a 50% chance that they Graveyard Whisper's message is false, so there's no reason to listen to him.
What if, for instance, the Graveyard Whisperer flipped maf 30 percent of the time

sl0nderman

almost 7 years

MafAllAlong says

snip

There is literally no reason for the town to trust the Graveyard Whisperer.
Take the crazy cop for instance, the one that receives a random report every time they investigate. If the only cop in the game was a crazy cop, the town has zero reason to listen to his reports. This is the same case. There is a 50% chance that they Graveyard Whisper's message is false, so there's no reason to listen to him.

Golbolco says

Bebop says

https://epicmafia.com/role/15908

What if instead of targeting one Third in particular, the Supervillain grouped all of the Thirds in a game into 1 meeting? The goal would be to satisfy all of the third wincons as normal (lynch fool, werewolf eat people, anarchist gives out bombs) but the Supervillain will steal all of their wins unless they die beforehand. This would exclude the converting third parties.

oh he's just doing this for the meme but i'll talk it about it anyway. bebops initial idea was better. i see where you're going with this as some sort of 3p mastermind but too many third party win conditions are incompatible. choosing one third at the start of the game eg lyncher would be ok.

the problem I ahve is that the 3p that's being targeted probably does not have a way to fight back. killer and wereworld are the only ones with a chance of stopping the supervillian. other roles (fool, lyncher, monk, etc.) would have to get the town to lynch the supervillian or hope the mafia kills them. it could still work but it would be very difficult to win against him.

MafAllAlong

almost 7 years

sl0nderman says

TownAllAlong says

@admin
what do you think of this

MafAllAlong says

Graveyard Whisperer

-Once dead, can send all the living a single message from the grave.
-initially sided with the village.
-50% chance of turning into mafia when killed.

where does this work at all?
>can send all the living a single message from the grave
clearly doesn't work with the current graveyard setup, they can just out all mafia

>50% chance of turning into mafia when killed
ok not only is this an awful use of an RNG coinflip, this doesn't make any sense.
if the town doesn't know if the dead person is town of mafia, it will never be in the interest of the town to listen to the graveyard message.

Expand your mind my friend. We currently have a role that outs all mafia d1 and its working just fine. If town doesn't know if its town or mafia itll be of interest to listen to the message as the game progresses.

Lets say that they lynch someone in the report as their ml and it flips mafia, they know the report contained at least one mafia. But wait, it was a bus. The next day graveyard whisperer wins the games for mafs as they lynch the next name in the report, a town, on mylo. There will be plenty of ways this role could work.

With all the unique roles in Epicmafia there will surely be countless scenarios where Graveyard Whisperer impacts a given game in an interesting way, especially if the setup is built around them, and certain roles are found that complement them.

Golbolco

almost 7 years

Bebop says

please use the role supervillain and give it a robbie rotten icon for our fallen hero https://epicmafia.com/role/15908

Okay, I'm just spitballing, so someone (sl0nd) tell me if this is a good idea or not.

What if instead of targeting one Third in particular, the Supervillain grouped all of the Thirds in a game into 1 meeting? The goal would be to satisfy all of the third wincons as normal (lynch fool, werewolf eat people, anarchist gives out bombs) but the Supervillain will steal all of their wins unless they die beforehand. This would exclude the converting third parties.

Golbolco

almost 7 years

PatrykSzczescie says

- Lucid comes back to make new roles into EM, asking the community for suggestions.
- Lucid decides to make 2 roles.
- Lucid keeps making more roles that he can implement as long as users find for them a blave icon.
- Lucid keeps making more roles regardless if they have an icon or not.

Clear your cache.

sl0nderman

almost 7 years

GrannyPixel says

What does RNG mean?

random number generator, whenever chance is determined by the computer

sl0nderman

almost 7 years

Songin says

What about a town-sided Cat Lady?

Dog Handler
-During the day can choose to send the dog to a player
-If the player entertains the dog, they are role blocked
-If the player ignores the dog, the Dog Handler is alerted of the player's role the next day
-Sided with the village

like this is just overpowered. cat lady is overpowered but powerful mafia are usually more acceptable than powerful town. nurse and surgeon are stupid roles. this falls into the same trap of just stacking powers on one person.

PatrykSzczescie

almost 7 years

- Lucid comes back to make new roles into EM, asking the community for suggestions.
- Lucid decides to make 2 roles.
- Lucid keeps making more roles that he can implement as long as users find for them a blave icon.
- Lucid keeps making more roles regardless if they have an icon or not.

sl0nderman

almost 7 years

TownAllAlong says

@admin
what do you think of this

MafAllAlong says

Graveyard Whisperer

-Once dead, can send all the living a single message from the grave.
-initially sided with the village.
-50% chance of turning into mafia when killed.

where does this work at all?
>can send all the living a single message from the grave
clearly doesn't work with the current graveyard setup, they can just out all mafia

>50% chance of turning into mafia when killed
ok not only is this an awful use of an RNG coinflip, this doesn't make any sense.
if the town doesn't know if the dead person is town of mafia, it will never be in the interest of the town to listen to the graveyard message.

GrannyPixel

almost 7 years

sl0nderman says

your favorite hot opinion guy sl0nderman

GrannyPixel says

Gunslinger

- Steals gun whenever shot at.
- Can shoot through bulletproof vests

I can't decide if the above role would be Town or Mafia.

i'm not digging through the pages of this thread to find out what exactly happened to gunslinger but it turned into something awful.
RNG should not be a part of epicmafia. I'm willing to overlook anarchist because of it's seniority, but 80% chance to survive being shot? Give me a break, what a stupid idea.

Tbf I didn't come up with the chance thing - I first envisioned the role as just being able to survive shot / take the gun. What does RNG mean?

sl0nderman

almost 7 years

LioneI says

https://epicmafia.com/role/15385

jacobkrin says

https://epicmafia.com/role/55412

same problem.

roles that remove agency from the player are bad. sleepwalker is the most basic idea of this and it's STILL super niche.

if your role needs a percentage to explain what it does, it's probably bad. this game is about person versus person, not crossing your fingers and hoping your role does what you want it to.

sl0nderman

almost 7 years

your favorite hot opinion guy sl0nderman

GrannyPixel says

Gunslinger

- Steals gun whenever shot at.
- Can shoot through bulletproof vests

I can't decide if the above role would be Town or Mafia.

i'm not digging through the pages of this thread to find out what exactly happened to gunslinger but it turned into something awful.
RNG should not be a part of epicmafia. I'm willing to overlook anarchist because of it's seniority, but 80% chance to survive being shot? Give me a break, what a stupid idea.

Shwartz99

almost 7 years

lucid if you're interested in any of these give me a name for the role and i'll make an icon