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Thoughts on Nike / Kaepernick

shady12
almost 7 years

I was commenting on the other thread, but then my comment grew out of hand and over the character limit for a response. Actually, I'll add some links since I'm going in on it I guess.These are my takes on the various topics:

Nike made a business decision - they signed Kaepernick for publicity. Imagine thinking a corporation like Nike would do anything for social justice. I don't have evidence for this take, but c'mon now.

Kaepernick sacrificed his NFL career in favor of protesting police brutality against African Americans. He had the talent level to be signed as a quarterback. He was not given a workout by any of the 32 NFL teams as a free agent. Seattle called him to bring him in, but only on the grounds that he stopped kneeling. He told them he would not, and here we are.

Kaepernick is making more money now than if he had not protested and finished his NFL career. He would have been paid as a back-up quarterback and probably could have played for 2-5 more years. I assume his Nike deal is much larger, plus he can leverage this for merchandise sales and speaking deals. If you want to use this to dispute the idea that he "sacrificed everything," go ahead. I think that's a fair point to make.

If you disagree with Kaepernick's cause, I think you need to study racial injustice in America more closely. If the police brutality doesn't do it for you, I would suggest to you to research injustice in the prison system & the War on Drugs or the lingering repercussions of slavery & historic injustice to African Americans leading to inequality in generational economics. I'm willing to share resources on this subject - I think it's very crucial for Americans and everyone to understand just how deep some of these cuts are.

If you disagree with Kaepernick's method of protest, I can understand, but please don't misrepresent the protest itself. I think all of the NFL players made it very, very clear that they were not protesting America, or the military, or the flag itself. I certainly don't understand the take that standing for the national anthem at a sporting event is some sort of sacred rite. Players weren't even on the field for it until 2009. Protests are supposed to cause discomfort. A comfortable protest is not an effective one, and it certainly is Colin's right to demonstrate. It was also the NFL's prerogative to not give him a job. I think that's what gives Colin's story some credibility - he did know he would face repercussions and he chose to do it anyway. I don't think you can say he knew he would get this big endorsement deal out of it.

That's just my takes. Thank you and have a nice day.

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blacksnakemoan says

why would it be bad for me to be arrested for shooting army in the face because i thought he was hiding some other white guy in his closet


because the army had people everywhere investigating because it was a federal command of President Bush to find him.

for you, you have no evidence, it is pure speculation. and it would not be your job to shoot me, as you aren't law enforcement or military. can you think at all bro?
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blacksnakemoan says


Army says

those "brown countries" were controlled by terrorist groups, and these "innocent civilians" were only bombed if they were suspected of harboring bin Laden, as he was the brains of 9/11: the world's largest-scale modern terrorist attack.


imagine if i walked into your house and shot you in the face then claimed it was because i thought you might be harbouring some white guy you've never talked to but hey he's got the same religious views as you so you guys must be pals


U.S. Army has intelligence as to where bin Laden was staying. And then U.S. Marine Corps checked the entire village risking stepping on land mines at any moment.
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years
why would it be bad for me to be arrested for shooting army in the face because i thought he was hiding some other white guy in his closet
illuminati
over 6 years
Yiou all throuight you could troll me.. but th e jokes on you,. my 100000 words in htis thread trolled u more tha n you can ever imagine..
Volta
over 6 years

blacksnakemoan says


Army says

those "brown countries" were controlled by terrorist groups, and these "innocent civilians" were only bombed if they were suspected of harboring bin Laden, as he was the brains of 9/11: the world's largest-scale modern terrorist attack.


imagine if i walked into your house and shot you in the face then claimed it was because i thought you might be harbouring some white guy you've never talked to but hey he's got the same religious views as you so you guys must be pals


if you did that you would be arrested (and that's a bad thing)
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years

Army says

those "brown countries" were controlled by terrorist groups, and these "innocent civilians" were only bombed if they were suspected of harboring bin Laden, as he was the brains of 9/11: the world's largest-scale modern terrorist attack.


imagine if i walked into your house and shot you in the face then claimed it was because i thought you might be harbouring some white guy you've never talked to but hey he's got the same religious views as you so you guys must be pals
view
over 6 years
do you actually buy this bullshіt or are you some kinda bot ???? fuсking MENTAL
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Devante says


Army says


Army says


Devante says


Army says

which is why I suggest is the worst thing that happens to her is losing her job. But apparently she is already being tried for manslaughter. Hope you guys are happy that someone is serving for a 2-second fear instinct that didn't allow enough time for rational thought whatsoever.


I hope one day one of your parents or close associates are shot trying to enter their car & if the shooter claims “he did it because he was tired after a long day of work & thougt your parent was trying to steal his car” you have this same energy
You are pathetic





you are the pathetic one if you think that me stating nonbiased facts in a free-speech and free-thinking nation is worthy of having my family killed.


and also you say that as though I am trying to be unsympathetic at every moment. I would be upset. I would cry. I would hate the person that did that. But at the same time, I would be able to move on from it, and not make a whole movement about it, because the judicial system will attend to the issue in that case. After that, it is none of my concern/business.


idk how much i believe that, you alt-right folk seem to still use 9/11 (something that happened like 17 years ago and still make a whole movement out of it.
the only difference is the movement y'all make is the movement of a bunch of bombs from the US to innocent civilians in brown countries.


those "brown countries" were controlled by terrorist groups, and these "innocent civilians" were only bombed if they were suspected of harboring bin Laden, as he was the brains of 9/11: the world's largest-scale modern terrorist attack.
Devante
over 6 years

Army says


Army says


Devante says


Army says

which is why I suggest is the worst thing that happens to her is losing her job. But apparently she is already being tried for manslaughter. Hope you guys are happy that someone is serving for a 2-second fear instinct that didn't allow enough time for rational thought whatsoever.


I hope one day one of your parents or close associates are shot trying to enter their car & if the shooter claims “he did it because he was tired after a long day of work & thougt your parent was trying to steal his car” you have this same energy
You are pathetic





you are the pathetic one if you think that me stating nonbiased facts in a free-speech and free-thinking nation is worthy of having my family killed.


and also you say that as though I am trying to be unsympathetic at every moment. I would be upset. I would cry. I would hate the person that did that. But at the same time, I would be able to move on from it, and not make a whole movement about it, because the judicial system will attend to the issue in that case. After that, it is none of my concern/business.


idk how much i believe that, you alt-right folk seem to still use 9/11 (something that happened like 17 years ago and still make a whole movement out of it.
the only difference is the movement y'all make is the movement of a bunch of bombs from the US to innocent civilians in brown countries.
MonteCarrlo
almost 7 years
the great philosophers of our time here in this thread, soak it in
JM123
almost 7 years
y'all n'iggas need jesus
view
almost 7 years
if the change within The People isn't raw marxist wrath don't bother
view
almost 7 years
if it quacks like a conservative walks like a conservative poops on the sidewalk like a conservative its more than likely a conservative
LioneI
almost 7 years

MisterPresident says

Loooooooool

We are sooooo far from perfect


1.) More of the change needs to be within the people.

2.) We elect our own officials, so it is our fault if they don't follow through. There are checks and balances that make sure the three branches never cross each other. Also if you want stuff to change, why don't you become the politician and make things right?
LioneI
almost 7 years

view says

the government doesn't need to change? but i thought you convervatives were all about changing the government into a smaller one :thinking:


I never said I was conservative. I am allowed to not affiliate with any party, aren't I? Especially since I am not of age to vote.
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BURN THEM ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MisterPresident
almost 7 years
Loooooooool

We are sooooo far from perfect
illuminati
almost 7 years
You don't like being mistreated by government officials because of the colour of your skin? Get white, idiot.
illuminati
almost 7 years
Ah, America. The Real Utopia.
illuminati
almost 7 years

LioneI says


MisterPresident says

Just because other places have it worse doesn't mean America can't be better


I never say America isn't perfect. I am saying our system is nearly perfect, and it is the people who need to improve, not the government

view
almost 7 years
the government doesn't need to change? but i thought you convervatives were all about changing the government into a smaller one :thinking:
shady12
almost 7 years

MeetTerry says

Fighting over what your great-grandparents did to another's great-grandparents never solves anything and will exacerbate the issue. No social issue has ever been solved like that. People today haven't voted for Jim Crow laws or bought slaves.


This is a take that I wish everyone would recognize as flawed. Historic injustice is absolutely still relevant in today's context. You can see it at an anecdotal level and you can see it on a macroscopic level. There is always a snowball effect.

If you just want to think about it financially, think about compounding interest.

https://www.thecalculatorsite.com/articles/finance/what-is-compound-interest.php

The loss of financial capital earlier in your ancestry will directly affect how much capital you or your family has. How much capital you have (it is, after all, the building block in capitalism) is directly related to incarceration rate, graduation rate, and earning potential. So yes, if your great-grandfather was lynched by someone else's, you and your family are likely still feeling the ramifications today.
Devante
almost 7 years

Vapid says

It was manslaughter at the very least. You just can't see that because it's been politicized and you have a side to be on. I am happy.


it's manslaughter if you are a cop, any unbiased person knows that if she wasn't a police officer she would have instantly been charged with murder.
my favourite thing about this case is hearing that NRA shill say "If he had a gun someone else would be carried out in a body bag"

essentially saying if cops enter your home in uniform you may shoot them ????
Devante
almost 7 years
This dude is like a 15 year old Kellyanne Conway
Vapid
almost 7 years
[quote=Army]

Vapid says


SteelixMega says

@me responding to @EpicJest like this because my response was too long:


Someone is firing a gun without the realization of where they f*cking are? This is a cop for crying out loud, even if she was drunk, this doesn't seem plausible. It doesn't matter what a cops intents are when they kill an innocent person and it especially doesn't matter when they were being this f*cking stupid. These types of mistakes don't happen unless you're unfit to be a cop or on some sort of drug.
What likely happened was murder with crocodile tears.


which is why I suggest is the worst thing that happens to her is losing her job. But apparently she is already being tried for manslaughter. Hope you guys are happy that someone is serving for a 2-second fear instinct that didn't allow enough time for rational thought whatsoever.


It was manslaughter at the very least. You just can't see that because it's been politicized and you have a side to be on. I am happy.