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Thoughts on Nike / Kaepernick

shady12
almost 7 years

I was commenting on the other thread, but then my comment grew out of hand and over the character limit for a response. Actually, I'll add some links since I'm going in on it I guess.These are my takes on the various topics:

Nike made a business decision - they signed Kaepernick for publicity. Imagine thinking a corporation like Nike would do anything for social justice. I don't have evidence for this take, but c'mon now.

Kaepernick sacrificed his NFL career in favor of protesting police brutality against African Americans. He had the talent level to be signed as a quarterback. He was not given a workout by any of the 32 NFL teams as a free agent. Seattle called him to bring him in, but only on the grounds that he stopped kneeling. He told them he would not, and here we are.

Kaepernick is making more money now than if he had not protested and finished his NFL career. He would have been paid as a back-up quarterback and probably could have played for 2-5 more years. I assume his Nike deal is much larger, plus he can leverage this for merchandise sales and speaking deals. If you want to use this to dispute the idea that he "sacrificed everything," go ahead. I think that's a fair point to make.

If you disagree with Kaepernick's cause, I think you need to study racial injustice in America more closely. If the police brutality doesn't do it for you, I would suggest to you to research injustice in the prison system & the War on Drugs or the lingering repercussions of slavery & historic injustice to African Americans leading to inequality in generational economics. I'm willing to share resources on this subject - I think it's very crucial for Americans and everyone to understand just how deep some of these cuts are.

If you disagree with Kaepernick's method of protest, I can understand, but please don't misrepresent the protest itself. I think all of the NFL players made it very, very clear that they were not protesting America, or the military, or the flag itself. I certainly don't understand the take that standing for the national anthem at a sporting event is some sort of sacred rite. Players weren't even on the field for it until 2009. Protests are supposed to cause discomfort. A comfortable protest is not an effective one, and it certainly is Colin's right to demonstrate. It was also the NFL's prerogative to not give him a job. I think that's what gives Colin's story some credibility - he did know he would face repercussions and he chose to do it anyway. I don't think you can say he knew he would get this big endorsement deal out of it.

That's just my takes. Thank you and have a nice day.

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/me Hear ye, hear ye! Sendeth StickyWanda to the gallowes at once! Thus sayeth the Towne Cryer!
JM123
almost 7 years
there are more paragraphs in this thread than active users in the site

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kk i didnt think so thank u
shady12
almost 7 years

Ally says


view says

with that dumbаss cop, it may likely have been premeditated. the man was her ex. knowing that it being an ""Accident"" is even harder to buy


do u have a source on him being her ex


I'm not really interested in this thread being about this specific incident but it does not look like that allegation is verified.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/botham-jean-amber-guyger-cop-date-did/
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view says

with that dumbаss cop, it may likely have been premeditated. the man was her ex. knowing that it being an ""Accident"" is even harder to buy


do u have a source on him being her ex
Eli
almost 7 years
Through the daunting darkness, I saw a glimmering light and his name was shady12
Edark
almost 7 years
america is such a fked up place where people are more upset at a dude protesting in a non violent way than they are against their police department that shoot civilians on a daily basis
view
almost 7 years
with that dumbаss cop, it may likely have been premeditated. the man was her ex. knowing that it being an ""Accident"" is even harder to buy
view
almost 7 years


here is a well-put explanation (:
SteelixMega
almost 7 years
@me responding to @EpicJest like this because my response was too long:

Paragraph 1:that is racism that is based off of some sort of fact, but to judge anybody in particular because of it is prejudice

Paragraph 2:I could bring up the opposite of that and say that not all cops have shot people, and so that means that not all cops are bad. again, a lot of the shootings are accidental or because of cops feeling as though their lives are in danger, in which they could resort to firearms. Keep in mind that cops have to do paperwork if there are ever shots fired.but anyways about the innocent until proven guilty thing, people assume that cops are racist and that racism is why they shoot black people. racism is a crime and the cops are innocent until it is proven that they have issues with people of that skin color

Paragraph 3:People think that he was shot for being black. She thought she was in danger because she believed someone broke into her apartment, and since she believed she had the right of defense within her property, she let the bullets fly. After she realized that she messed up, she did the right thing to try to fix the situation and get medical attention immediately. In that video tape, she was crying because she realized she killed an innocent man. She felt remorse for it because of a mistake on her behalf. Also, for those of you who don't realize it, cops shooting people is not with the intent kill, it is with the intent to stop any immediate danger that the officer or bystanders is/are in. I think she should be temporarily suspended because the law is on her side, and that she didn't fire with the intent to kill. at the most, she should just be fired so she could be prevented from doing that again. i don't think jail time is needed here.
shady12
almost 7 years

Kreate says

Though I will admit a lot of this information is up in the air about truth or not. Most coaches have refused to come out about his contract negotiations which leads me to believe he was probably asking for less than that but who really knows anymore


Yeah, I think that's fair.
shady12
almost 7 years

Volta says


shady12 says

Our system is responsible for the higher criminality rate of African Americans because we put an extremely disproportionate rate of black people in prison.


lmao, the gymnastics on this one


https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/978-1-137-59410-5_7

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5004736/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School-to-prison_pipeline

The School-To-Prison Pipeline is the most significant here. It is the "disproportionate tendency of minors and young adults from disadvantaged backgrounds to become incarcerated, because of increasingly harsh school and municipal policies." I don't think it's a stretch at all to correlate that + the historic economic disadvantage of African Americans in the United States to a disproportionate amount of African Americans in jail. There's so much research on this dude.
Kreate
almost 7 years
Though I will admit a lot of this information is up in the air about truth or not. Most coaches have refused to come out about his contract negotiations which leads me to believe he was probably asking for less than that but who really knows anymore
Kreate
almost 7 years

shady12 says


Kreate says

Kaepernick was asking 20 million dollars as a BACKUP QB, that is about 70% of the reason he wasnt signed. He had his chances to sign before his protesting started and he didnt. He now lacks the nfl ability to be a starter, so no one is going to pay that greedy mother the money he wants to be a backup and thats that.


Can you cite this information? I would be interested to see it. I've never seen "financial reasons" cited as a reason teams did not want to sign him.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colin-kaepernick-reportedly-wants-9-10-million-per-year-and-a-chance-to-start/
Volta
almost 7 years

shady12 says

Our system is responsible for the higher criminality rate of African Americans because we put an extremely disproportionate rate of black people in prison.


lmao, the gymnastics on this one
shady12
almost 7 years

Kreate says

Kaepernick was asking 20 million dollars as a BACKUP QB, that is about 70% of the reason he wasnt signed. He had his chances to sign before his protesting started and he didnt. He now lacks the nfl ability to be a starter, so no one is going to pay that greedy mother the money he wants to be a backup and thats that.


Can you cite this information? I would be interested to see it. I've never seen "financial reasons" cited as a reason teams did not want to sign him.
Kreate
almost 7 years
Kaepernick was asking 20 million dollars as a BACKUP QB, that is about 70% of the reason he wasnt signed. He had his chances to sign before his protesting started and he didnt. He now lacks the nfl ability to be a starter, so no one is going to pay that greedy mother the money he wants to be a backup and thats that.
shady12
almost 7 years

EpicJest says


Statistically, if you pull a random black man off the streets compared to a white man, yes, he may have a higher chance of having committed a crime before.


I think it's important to note the criminalization of African Americans that goes way the f u c k back in American history. You're missing that part here. Our system is responsible for the higher criminality rate of African Americans because we put an extremely disproportionate rate of black people in prison. You should check out that documentary I linked, 13th.
EpicJest
almost 7 years
I think that America has some deep rooted assumptions about every race and class. Whether they are justifiable or not I cannot argue for until I can figure it out for myself.

Statistically, if you pull a random black man off the streets compared to a white man, yes, he may have a higher chance of having committed a crime before. Does that mean that they are a criminal for sure? No. The difference comes in the attitude that America SHOULD have for every individual, which is that everyone is Innocent until Proved Guilty, and should be treated that way.

As for that guy that got shot for being in his own apartment that was pure stupidity on the officer's side, and she deserves manslaughter charges.
Volta
almost 7 years
despite only being 14% of the population