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My thoughts on Harrassment.

almost 7 years

So, given the publicity that Calcium's thread has garnered, and the intense discussion it's cause, I figured I'd give my own opinon on the current status of the Harassment violation.


What Constitutes Harassment

As per the current ruleset, harassment is explained as the following:

  • Making repeated/severe personal attacks toward or slandering another Epicmafia user when the user has asked the harasser to stop. If filing on behalf of another user, one must show the consent of the harassed person.

The important things to note here is the following:

  1. Repeated or Severe
  2. Personal Attacks against or Slandering
  3. User has asked the harasser to stop

These 3 components is what constitutes a current harassment violation. If one of them is missing, a harassment violation is unlikely to be given. However, the second component of this rule is something that is rather argueable as to what is considered "Personal Attacks or Slandering". From my personal opinion, I find that anything that can give a user a bad name among the players on this site, given society's standards, should be considered harassment. Some of these terms are:

  • Pedophile
  • Molestor
  • Thief

Now obviously, just because someone calls someone else a slanderous word, does not mean that the one being called it finds it harassing. I've been called plenty during my time on this website, and have never reported for harassment as I've never found anything I've been called to be severe. So you shouldn't NOT say the terms I mentioned before in fear of being slapped with a harassment vio. However, when asked to stop YOU SHOULD STOP.


Harassment in the jakerton report

Next I'll give my thoughts on the report which brought about the original discussion of the report.

  1. At 10:07 in the game was the first instance of jankerton calling Jeff a pedophile.
  2. At 10:25 Jeff reacted and told him that's harassment. That should had been indicative enough for jankerton to stop, but I could see someone not getting the memo here.
  3. However he continued at 10:44.
  4. Jeff straight out asked him to stop at 10:50.
  5. At 12:10 Jankerton calls Jeff a "teen tickler" once more,having been firmly asked to stop.
  6. Though 14:46-15:07 He continued, however did not explicitally named Jeff.
  7. At 16:30 He once again Called Jeff a "teen tickler"
  8. At 16:43 Zayn asked him why he's harassing him.\

At points 1, 3, 5, 7, and arguably 6, Jeff was called a pedophile (+synonymous words) by jankerton. At points 2, 4, and 8, he was asked to stop + pointed out that what he was saying was harassment.

So given the previous 3 important pieces of a harassment violation, we can easily see the following:

  1. Repeated / Severe Repeated
  2. Personal Attacks / Slandering Slandering
  3. Asked to STop Three Times

At that point, what jankerton was doing consitituted harassment, and definitely constituted a vio.


NOTE or Vio?

Now we get to the moment of which the original arguement between mods in the previous thread sparked. Does it deserve a note, or a Harassment 1st? If we go by what the rule page specifies, a first time offense is supposed to get a warning. A quick search of previous reports against jakerton finds that he only has a single active vio for gamethrowing, and none currently of harassment. Therefore, going by what the rules page says, he should had been warned (vio reports) and told to stop and further instances of it.


6 Months Too Long?

Another point that was made in the thread/report was that an active harassment vio for 6 months seemed too long. Comparing the rule to other community violations finds the following:

  • Hurtful Comment Expires in 3 Months
  • Exploit Abuse Expires in 6 Months
  • Inappropriate Biography Expires in 3 Months
  • Inappropriate Avatar Expires in 3 Months
  • Inappropriate Content Expires in 4 Months
  • X-rated Material Expires in 3 Months
  • OPI Expires in 9 Months

Now the only ones that you could compre Harassment too is Hurtful Comment, However, when compared to community violation lengths of the other reportable offenses, 6 months DOES seem too long. Especially given that you could get a Harassment violation easily just for having a bad day and pissed at someone. In my opinion, I find that harassment vio's should be lowered to 3 months given that Hurtful comment gives you a 3 month experation period, or HC should be bumped up to 6 months expiration period.. This point is argueable, of course, and could be open to some discussion.


Final Thoughts

Honestly the public discussion got way out of hand. Generally speaking, if you disagree with a verdict of a reprot on this site, should you not first discuss with the moderator who gave the sentence to find out why?

  • It was DEFINITELY harassment
  • Report should had been a note + a warning from a mod given he had no previous active vios
  • HC and Harassment vio expiration length should be the same
  • Both Shoopie and Ally got out of line with the direction they took in the report and topic
  • you all.
almost 7 years
its okay when ur mean but not when jeff is mean
almost 7 years

calciumkid says


I might be mean but i dont harass ppl and i certain dont bully people.


Lol.
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So a guy who plays a mafia game insults people in games, not quite on the level of harassment but he still says b!tch and the usual is gonna tell me this slander bs matters. you are a d!ck always hve and always will be.

Songin i did but its clear it wasnt gonna happen. Hell he even reported me for harassment lol. Like this grown a$$ man teaching the next generation. Give over.

I might be mean but i dont harass ppl and i certain dont bully people. I usually call things i see that are wrong and i know its wrong of jake to call him a pedo but it was by no means harassment. Just cos ur poor victim jeff is reporting it u have to insta vio it. It was a note all day long.
almost 7 years

xela says

I thought this was 'My Thoughts on Harrold'


Also this
almost 7 years
Good point but why quote that horrid post
almost 7 years
You expected far too much out of him.
almost 7 years

calciumkid says


JeffreyAaron says

As an Elementary School teacher, I take great caution in all my dealings with children. It's an allegation that others might find flippant, but that I take very seriously due to my career. It's not funny to me and offends me greatly. Helping children is my entire passion in life and having to read someone insinuate something so vile such as damaging children sexually affects me a lot. It's not a joke to me and it offends me. There's no further discussion to be had. It's not okay.


bro i cried, truly wept


You just said earlier you wanted to have discussion without people belittling others. Don't be so hypocritical.
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JeffreyAaron says

As an Elementary School teacher, I take great caution in all my dealings with children. It's an allegation that others might find flippant, but that I take very seriously due to my career. It's not funny to me and offends me greatly. Helping children is my entire passion in life and having to read someone insinuate something so vile such as damaging children sexually affects me a lot. It's not a joke to me and it offends me. There's no further discussion to be had. It's not okay.


bro i cried, truly wept
almost 7 years
As an Elementary School teacher, I take great caution in all my dealings with children. It's an allegation that others might find flippant, but that I take very seriously due to my career. It's not funny to me and offends me greatly. Helping children is my entire passion in life and having to read someone insinuate something so vile such as damaging children sexually affects me a lot. It's not a joke to me and it offends me. There's no further discussion to be had. It's not okay.
almost 7 years

Kopitar says

Hard to believe there are grown adults that care about this


Getting accused of being a molester/abuser/just a terrible person is a big deal, adult or not. It can ruin relationships and even lives if it gets out of hand. So yes, people care.
almost 7 years
He's not being fed. He's being publicly told that what he's doing is wrong and if he continues he can catch his forum suspension followed by account suspension if he continues. It stops now.
almost 7 years

Transcend says

Anyone wanna upbid me on someone in the sandbox circlejerk actually thinking this is harassment but defending their cjer to avoid upsetting them


i think some people think jeff wasn't offended/harassed by it, so they don't think it should be a vio

either way, i don't like a mod having to make that judgment call on any decision on what a user can be offended by, so i'd rather just go with the straightforward approach: if you're asked to stop and continue, u gonna get a vio
almost 7 years
Don't feed the troll broheim
almost 7 years
It's slander for Holden and Calcium to continuously state that I made antisemitic remarks when they have 0 proof of it. Calcium, stop saying I made antisemitic remarks. It never happened. You are lying. Continuing to say it when it's slander to my name will result in further action on my part. Fück off. Find something else to do. I've never made a thread about you nor have I made a thread about Holden, yet you two cannot stop making ones about me. Move on. Get a new hobby. Stop slandering me.
almost 7 years
I have never made a thread about Holden. He's flat out lying. He claims I have made all these attacks and threads and conveniently has no evidence or screenshots. Ironic. Perhaps because it's one massive lie.
almost 7 years
"He also made a thread saying I had no place to talk and made fun of my nose and my jewish heritage. He has since deleted this thread, but a large majority of the site saw it. "

Also this LITERALLY never happened.
almost 7 years
I'm watching Queer Eye I just got linked the thread on Discord lol.
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Hard to believe there are grown adults that care about this
almost 7 years
Don't get baited Jeff.
almost 7 years
How many hours of your day do you spend angrily making comments and threads about me, Calc? Get a fücking life oh my God.
almost 7 years
Also, no racial/sexist/sexual/religious/mental slurs too.

No n**** or variants.

No racial insults or stereotypes (unless personally approved by certain members of said group)

No talking about "male or female" jobs or the whole "how many genders" debate, because you are expected to respect people's opinions and not discriminate regardless.

No sexual harassment (defined in thread description). No making fun of people's sexual habits or preferences (no insults over SLGBTQ etc.).

No religious slurs. No religious stereotypes (not gonna give an example).

No slurs about people's mental ability in the following words (pretty much all of which offend people): **tistic, re****ed, neanderthal, dimwit, disabled. Also same thing with mental diseases/conditions (see Mental Health Support thread), do not use it as leverage to make people mad.
almost 7 years

Songin says


yachi says

snip snip


I agree on that, I don't find calling people toxic or terrible is harassment, however I will stop regardless if asked. Mainly for being curteous.

The issue, however, is what one person considered harassment, another may not. That's mostly why I'm backing my suggestion of splitting it up into two different vio tiers.


so real harassment and fake harassment
almost 7 years

Ally says

Why do you think a random epicmafia user saying "file an appeal" means that it's bias for the appeal to not be valid his word means literally nothing and it just shows that he doesn't know the rules for appealing


I didn't know he appealed before on Lapis, I was search Holden reports.
I also thought it was 7 days or less you could appeal, not 7 days or more you can't.
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If he wants Nathan to reevaluate the vio he can send Nathan a PM
almost 7 years
Doesn't matter if it's true or not. Jeff announced he was offended. Jake didn't stop. He harassed. Point blank.