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My thoughts on Harrassment.

over 6 years

So, given the publicity that Calcium's thread has garnered, and the intense discussion it's cause, I figured I'd give my own opinon on the current status of the Harassment violation.


What Constitutes Harassment

As per the current ruleset, harassment is explained as the following:

  • Making repeated/severe personal attacks toward or slandering another Epicmafia user when the user has asked the harasser to stop. If filing on behalf of another user, one must show the consent of the harassed person.

The important things to note here is the following:

  1. Repeated or Severe
  2. Personal Attacks against or Slandering
  3. User has asked the harasser to stop

These 3 components is what constitutes a current harassment violation. If one of them is missing, a harassment violation is unlikely to be given. However, the second component of this rule is something that is rather argueable as to what is considered "Personal Attacks or Slandering". From my personal opinion, I find that anything that can give a user a bad name among the players on this site, given society's standards, should be considered harassment. Some of these terms are:

  • Pedophile
  • Molestor
  • Thief

Now obviously, just because someone calls someone else a slanderous word, does not mean that the one being called it finds it harassing. I've been called plenty during my time on this website, and have never reported for harassment as I've never found anything I've been called to be severe. So you shouldn't NOT say the terms I mentioned before in fear of being slapped with a harassment vio. However, when asked to stop YOU SHOULD STOP.


Harassment in the jakerton report

Next I'll give my thoughts on the report which brought about the original discussion of the report.

  1. At 10:07 in the game was the first instance of jankerton calling Jeff a pedophile.
  2. At 10:25 Jeff reacted and told him that's harassment. That should had been indicative enough for jankerton to stop, but I could see someone not getting the memo here.
  3. However he continued at 10:44.
  4. Jeff straight out asked him to stop at 10:50.
  5. At 12:10 Jankerton calls Jeff a "teen tickler" once more,having been firmly asked to stop.
  6. Though 14:46-15:07 He continued, however did not explicitally named Jeff.
  7. At 16:30 He once again Called Jeff a "teen tickler"
  8. At 16:43 Zayn asked him why he's harassing him.\

At points 1, 3, 5, 7, and arguably 6, Jeff was called a pedophile (+synonymous words) by jankerton. At points 2, 4, and 8, he was asked to stop + pointed out that what he was saying was harassment.

So given the previous 3 important pieces of a harassment violation, we can easily see the following:

  1. Repeated / Severe Repeated
  2. Personal Attacks / Slandering Slandering
  3. Asked to STop Three Times

At that point, what jankerton was doing consitituted harassment, and definitely constituted a vio.


NOTE or Vio?

Now we get to the moment of which the original arguement between mods in the previous thread sparked. Does it deserve a note, or a Harassment 1st? If we go by what the rule page specifies, a first time offense is supposed to get a warning. A quick search of previous reports against jakerton finds that he only has a single active vio for gamethrowing, and none currently of harassment. Therefore, going by what the rules page says, he should had been warned (vio reports) and told to stop and further instances of it.


6 Months Too Long?

Another point that was made in the thread/report was that an active harassment vio for 6 months seemed too long. Comparing the rule to other community violations finds the following:

  • Hurtful Comment Expires in 3 Months
  • Exploit Abuse Expires in 6 Months
  • Inappropriate Biography Expires in 3 Months
  • Inappropriate Avatar Expires in 3 Months
  • Inappropriate Content Expires in 4 Months
  • X-rated Material Expires in 3 Months
  • OPI Expires in 9 Months

Now the only ones that you could compre Harassment too is Hurtful Comment, However, when compared to community violation lengths of the other reportable offenses, 6 months DOES seem too long. Especially given that you could get a Harassment violation easily just for having a bad day and pissed at someone. In my opinion, I find that harassment vio's should be lowered to 3 months given that Hurtful comment gives you a 3 month experation period, or HC should be bumped up to 6 months expiration period.. This point is argueable, of course, and could be open to some discussion.


Final Thoughts

Honestly the public discussion got way out of hand. Generally speaking, if you disagree with a verdict of a reprot on this site, should you not first discuss with the moderator who gave the sentence to find out why?

  • It was DEFINITELY harassment
  • Report should had been a note + a warning from a mod given he had no previous active vios
  • HC and Harassment vio expiration length should be the same
  • Both Shoopie and Ally got out of line with the direction they took in the report and topic
  • you all.
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but ally is charley right? they type the same way when they go on their typing rampage about w/e drama is going on
over 6 years

Flygon says

My thoughts on Harry Pooter and the Sorceror's Bone


bringing this one back
over 6 years
i was almost immediately told that glow isn't annajane but they're both wrong about virtually everything so i deserve some slack
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none of them are annajane
over 6 years
Which one is annajane
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Songin says

I honestly think that at this point, both of you two (Calcium and Jeff) should stop interacting with each other on this topic.

I wanted to have an open discourse in regards to the topic of harassment given recent circumstances, however it's evident that as you two were central figures, that you both have strong feelings on the topic of holdenrye, jakerton, and harassment in general.

Rather than continue a pointless arguement which most will probably view as petty bickering, allow others in the community to present their own ideas and opinions without fear of jumping into a lion's den.


Mod this man
over 6 years
also look it's annajane making another pointless wrong and bad post
over 6 years

Sims says

can you give me your thoughts on the BP oil spill next @OP


more like the OP boil spill lol!
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isnt it funny the people defending him are the ones who probably have got other peoples viod for harassment or at the least been ordered to stay away from them. zzz.
over 6 years
Glow would you be mad if someone went around posting that you sent pictures of your ti.ts to any male EpicMafia user her asked

I bet you would be
over 6 years
Therefore, by the very rules of the site that Calcium is protesting his case by, it is harassment to slander someone. I didn't write the rules but you're legitimately stating:

"if ur not a teen tickler then why is being called a teen tickler harassment"

So.
over 6 years
Because slander is written under the harassment vio description \_O_/
over 6 years

glow says

if ur not a teen tickler then why is being called a teen tickler harassment


agree LOL
over 6 years
I honestly think that at this point, both of you two (Calcium and Jeff) should stop interacting with each other on this topic.

I wanted to have an open discourse in regards to the topic of harassment given recent circumstances, however it's evident that as you two were central figures, that you both have strong feelings on the topic of holdenrye, jakerton, and harassment in general.

Rather than continue a pointless arguement which most will probably view as petty bickering, allow others in the community to present their own ideas and opinions without fear of jumping into a lion's den.
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Jeff says

Show me how I antagonized Jake that game. Show us all.


You know exactly what u do. tbf this game jake asked u are u the pedo jeff. Anybody who thinks theyre an angel from heaven wud ignore it but not this prick. This prick wud try and make it out like he's about to lose out endorsements with nike.
over 6 years
can you give me your thoughts on the BP oil spill next @OP
over 6 years
Show me how I antagonized Jake that game. Show us all.
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I'm mad at the fact he literally does this all the time. he knows what he's doing and its time he stops. idk why u all think I'm scum of the earth. i started the thread off in na civilised manner for a discussion.
over 6 years

Kopitar says

And if you're worried about this getting out of hand I'm sure there's a bigger chance this gets out of hand by making this a big deal on the forums instead of just forgetting it happened and let the games history expire.


I didn't make any threads. All I did was file a report to make it stop. It's a simple case of just being a decent human. I wasn't attacking Jake. I was playing a game and he decided to be vile. It's not hard to be decent and stop typing.
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it'll only be a day or two before holden has a new account in which he posts long threads in random sections all day anyway
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even if jeff hadn't gotten holden a vio he already had 8... so i'm not sure why calc thinks going so hard against jeff is gonna do sh/it
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And if you're worried about this getting out of hand I'm sure there's a bigger chance this gets out of hand by making this a big deal on the forums instead of just forgetting it happened and let the games history expire.
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YoureScummy says


Kopitar says

Hard to believe there are grown adults that care about this


Getting accused of being a molester/abuser/just a terrible person is a big deal, adult or not. It can ruin relationships and even lives if it gets out of hand. So yes, people care.


Must've missed the part where employers now have added epicmafia to the list of social media accounts you have to turn in
over 6 years
oh okay sorry i didnt know they deserve it so its ok
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yes I'm mean to absolute cunnts