Is hipfiring reportable?

almost 7 years

Confused.

I just got a vio for hipfiring. Cop was dead. GS outed. I was gunned town. So I shot straight away as I had a 50/50 chance of hitting mafia.

Maybe it was stupid because I hit town and got immediately lynched.

Worse, I got reported and vio-ed because apparently hipfiring is now reportable?

I see so many other people do it with no consequences... so why am I getting a vio for one?

SeriouslyConfused.

JM123

almost 7 years

http://imgur.com/a/CKargO7

Munchlax has more than 40,000 points.

What do you guys think it's better for the site?

A) Vio it as hipfire as usual

B) Note it and therefore open a precedent that this behaviour isn't vio worthy, because if Munchlax can do it, everyone else can. This will contribute for the site to be less about reads/deception/scumhunting and more about randomness

ftr I think its fine if it get's OT'd, but in my opinion i'll pick option A) without a doubt

If it was a noavi that just discovered the site I would definetly note it but that's not the case

BeepBeepLettuce

almost 7 years

the real answer to this question is that it is a violation if 1. it is shooting town or 2. the mods don't like you. In the 1/3 case you hit maf randomly, it isn't hipfire.

deletedalmost 7 years

Shooting day2 in fp means you have reads from day1

Munchlax

almost 7 years

Thank you all kindly. I will submit an appeal.

ivana

almost 7 years

Hipfiring has always been reportable. I would appeal your report and see if they can just give you a Note. I don't think it's intended GT.

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Munchlax says

Ally says

You should file an appeal - do this by reporting the mod that gave you the vio and explaining what you've said here

as for a list of trollable offenses, I'm not really sure what you mean but https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

How do you appeal vios? Is there a link somewhere?

https://epicmafia.com/topic/61787

Munchlax

almost 7 years

Ally says

You should file an appeal - do this by reporting the mod that gave you the vio and explaining what you've said here

as for a list of trollable offenses, I'm not really sure what you mean but https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

How do you appeal vios? Is there a link somewhere?

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and that's indeed reportable

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Munchlax says

Devante says

Note it and move on

I've noted it. But seems like the community is split on what is 'trolling' and what is 'bad play'. I'm just looking for some clarity here. I've played in games where people have lynched clear towns. As in cleared by cops. That seems more trolling than this.

if someone is cleared by a cop then town lynching them would be gamethrowing, not trolling

Devante

almost 7 years

But in all seriousness I just read the game and y’all should #NoteIt. Realistically he doesn’t need to “follow” any directions from the clear or whatever bs ally said.

I’ve seen any ppl do that exact same thing in many fp games - cop was dead and gs had claimed

#NoteIt

deletedalmost 7 years

You should file an appeal - do this by reporting the mod that gave you the vio and explaining what you've said here

as for a list of trollable offenses, I'm not really sure what you mean but https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

MonteCarrlo

almost 7 years

Munchlax says

Yeah, JM just literally told me in a chat the following:

Trolling is trolling.
Bad play is when you do something dumb/risky/stupid.

I didn't set out to troll. I shot early. But then I fully explained my actions IN THE GAME. It was, in hindsight, stupid as . This is pretty much JM's definition of bad play. And I still get a vio for it. Not even a warning of 'don't do stupid play again'. Straight up vio.

JM then left the chat...

JM123 is lazy and the worst mod, thats why

Devante

almost 7 years

Munchlax says

Devante says

Note it and move on

I've noted it. But seems like the community is split on what is 'trolling' and what is 'bad play'. I'm just looking for some clarity here. I've played in games where people have lynched clear towns. As in cleared by cops. That seems more trolling than this.

I was talking to the mods

Munchlax

almost 7 years

Devante says

Note it and move on

I've noted it. But seems like the community is split on what is 'trolling' and what is 'bad play'. I'm just looking for some clarity here. I've played in games where people have lynched clear towns. As in cleared by cops. That seems more trolling than this.

Devante

almost 7 years

U guys should make me a mod just so I can remind y’all to #NoteIt

Munchlax

almost 7 years

Yeah, JM just literally told me in a chat the following:

Trolling is trolling.
Bad play is when you do something dumb/risky/stupid.

I didn't set out to troll. I shot early. But then I fully explained my actions IN THE GAME. It was, in hindsight, stupid as . This is pretty much JM's definition of bad play. And I still get a vio for it. Not even a warning of 'don't do stupid play again'. Straight up vio.

JM then left the chat...

Devante

almost 7 years

Note it and move on

evo

almost 7 years

the rules suck not your fault man

Munchlax

almost 7 years

Also, is there a list of trollable (is that a word) offences?

Munchlax

almost 7 years

PatrykSzczescie says

Trolling/GT vios are given based on intent, never result.

So you're saying my intent was to troll from the go?

My intent was to kill mafia... I just up in a 50/50 situation.

PatrykSzczescie

almost 7 years

Trolling/GT vios are given based on intent, never result.

PatrykSzczescie

almost 7 years

Munchlax says

So if mafia hipfire straight away is that trolling too? As I said in OP, I can see it being deemed as 'bad play', but how is it reportable?

Generally mafia doesn't get a trolling vio because they know partners and they could shoot based on who could gun them. However, sniper can get a vio for hipfiring if shoots before getting contacted and with no reads. Same with day start setups for illusionist.

MonteCarrlo

almost 7 years

no vio this man, he didn't know the rules

deletedalmost 7 years

yes you would get the vio if you killed mafia

deletedalmost 7 years

it's reportable because it's in the rules as being trolling

it would be a case by case basis but no generally mafia shooting quickly wouldn't be trolling bc they don't need claims or reads, they're scum