OK look the key thing is that we only moderate hipfiring in ranked (red heart) and competitive (gold heart) games. As far as I know we've refunded based on a hipfire once this year, and that was in gold hearts.
The problem with having day guns in the game is that they can be instantly used to grudge lynch someone, to troll a town, or most commonly, to just have fun. Most people on the site find rolling blue to be a bit boring at times, and being a PR is better. A gun is that.
What we don't want is people joining ranked and competitive games and using the gun as if it's a race to finish. If you want to do that, play in sandbox. No one there cares if you fire your gun off as soon as you have it. But in competitive at least, people are committing time to their runs, and they want a higher standard of game. Shooting someone in the first five seconds, or even the first day, isn't playing for the team, it's playing for your own enjoyment. This game isn't about rolling the dice on a 50/50, it's about using logic, and the guns are a terrible addition which we have to deal with.
I'll just give the clear definition of hipfiring that the community and the moderators tends to agree on without putting my own bias into it.
Hipfiring is when you shoot without reads and after a, what I'd give, 1/13 of the average length of the day on said set up. Also I understand that I said I wouldn't give my own bias but moderators don't really give times and seemingly act differently to time on different set ups.
Me now giving my bias and mainly rambling, moderators tend to flood their own opinions to what hipfiring is because they seemingly overthought it for whatever reasonings they had.
For example, in the famous "this setup is bad and should n" set up, they tend to follow the 1/13 rule that I've stated.
But they've also announced many times that if you shoot day 1 with both A. shoot before 2 minutes (average length of D1 when sheriff shoots is 15ish minutes) and B. Don't make PRs out, you get a violation.
They've understand that this is unfair and made it where you can shoot if you give a logical reasoning, but only some players have what some may call a logical reasoning. And just having to worry about that is actually distracting.
I'm just mainly annoyed at what moderators done to what, at least what I thought, was the clear rule of hipfiring. Which was, from what I was told and what seemingly most of the non-moderators tend to agree with, is just not shooting after the first 30 seconds w/o reasoning.
Then the moderators changed it saying don't shoot w/o reasoning with time being such a minor factor in deciding.
I mean, ffs, this guy had his reasonings and got a violation. Although I understand that they are dumb, still had them none the less.
In the game mode JFK's Assassination (I think it's that game mode), if everyone stays quiet and the sniper is almost forced to shoot, is that a hipfire?
I agree if the sheriff hipfires 2 seconds into day 1 of that sheriff setup it’s a hipfire.
If you are a gunned blue with unclaimed Pr roles & u shoot instantly it’s a hipfire,
However since: This user doesn’t have extensive throwing history, this was fp, he shot based off statistics (he actually had a reasonable belief for his shot)
You should have noted it and I’m sure he would not do it again
Y’all need to re-evaluate why you’re moderating this site. You’re not here to mindlessly throw out violations and follow a stupid page of rules word for word. You’re here to make sure the site runs smoothly, most of your —— I notice I made a very serious post here so i’m stopping myself from going further
btw, by you saying to note it you're basically agreeing that the shot was hipfire, no? you're not trying to argue that because it was a fp game we can let them hipfire because they won't get any better reads by playing out the game.. so your statement doesn't do much here
i was saying that allowing a user to randomly shoot (and if possible lynch) without reads and hoping for the best is silly
if you need to ask why, the same principles as to why hipfiring is a violation mostly apply
I hope denial is joking implying that had the user shot after 5 lines in a game of fp his shot would have been any more likely to hit mafia based off “reads”
i expected this to have like 5 upvotes and 2 mod downvotes
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If you get reported for hipfire just say you're using pale moon browser and your dropdown box opened itself and everyone's picture turned into a square and you got confused they can't vio you.
Btw, if you're town, hipfiring town or hipfiring mafia is OBVIOUSLY treated as the same thing in terms of rule breaking. You can't hipfire, you have to play based on some sort of reads.
However if you're mafia and you hipfire, that's a whole different subject
