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Suggestion regarding reports

deletedabout 7 years

Introduction
As of now, most (if not all moderators) provide no reason at all when they violate or no-violate a player.

Why should this be changed?
It is quite obvious what power the moderators is given by basically letting them do what they want without even giving an explanation why they took a certain measurement. Namely:

  • Favor friends and moderators
  • Disadvantage people they do not like
  • Manipulate the competitive play

What are possible disadvantages?
The only disadvantage I found so far is that mods have to put greater effort into dealing with reports. And with "greater" I mean appending one (!) more sentence that explains why one has taken that measurement. It shouldn't be much of an issue because a moderator clearly knows why they violate a player, they just need to write down their thoughts about it :)

Can we, vanilla users, change anything about it?
Perhaps. If there is a wide range of players who would wish to apply such a change to moderating rules, they might as well think about doing so. For this purpose, I have created a little poll in which you can have your voice about this matter.

~ Your one and only MarcellDavis

Enforce providing reasons when giving a violation or a NV?
39
Yes
8
No
kamibaby
about 7 years
People get tired by typing a few words??

The excuses people come up with...
Sachy
about 7 years
implying you have any idea.
deletedabout 7 years

Sachy says

Mods used to have to post on the profile of the user explaining what they did wrong and link the report


that is too much I think. You dont need everything displayed for all. Just tell people on the report!
Sachy
about 7 years
Mods used to have to post on the profile of the user explaining what they did wrong and link the report
Germ
about 7 years
true true, no one PMs a mod for clarification before making an appeal.
Sachy
about 7 years

Germ says

I havent read the entire thread, but here's my two cents.

I'm pretty sure I always commented on at least my no vios. Not so much when I was giving a vio if I felt the person who made the report stated the reason anyway. But I would still comment on those if I felt the need to reaffirm that a certain action is against the rules or clarify something.

But on no vio's, they're especially important, because you need to counter whatever argument the reporter is making. And the rules are pretty black and white, so it's not exactly hard. As someone else said, you already spent the entire time investigating the report, you can write half a sentence.

I don't imagine anyone that's a mod on em is a slow typer.

and it helps if you ever need to look back at a report because you can easily read what your original opinion was.

someone in this thread said commenting on reports went away to save time when report numbers skyrocketed. Kinda makes me think what else they cut to save time. Lends a little credence to the theory that mods might not even read the game if they trust the reporter or dislike the reportee. Forcing mods to comment on reports could help make sure the mod actually reads the game.


it makes it easier to write an appeal to know what they actually appealing.
Germ
about 7 years
also nathan should step down
Germ
about 7 years
I havent read the entire thread, but here's my two cents.

I'm pretty sure I always commented on at least my no vios. Not so much when I was giving a vio if I felt the person who made the report stated the reason anyway. But I would still comment on those if I felt the need to reaffirm that a certain action is against the rules or clarify something.

But on no vio's, they're especially important, because you need to counter whatever argument the reporter is making. And the rules are pretty black and white, so it's not exactly hard. As someone else said, you already spent the entire time investigating the report, you can write half a sentence.

I don't imagine anyone that's a mod on em is a slow typer.

and it helps if you ever need to look back at a report because you can easily read what your original opinion was.

someone in this thread said commenting on reports went away to save time when report numbers skyrocketed. Kinda makes me think what else they cut to save time. Lends a little credence to the theory that mods might not even read the game if they trust the reporter or dislike the reportee. Forcing mods to comment on reports could help make sure the mod actually reads the game.
nicoleyrenaa
about 7 years
mod appreciation post
deletedabout 7 years
make me a mod and I would be happy to type reasons. I am sure many people would be willing to give reasons, as it improves the community. you already spend the time to make a verdict so why not spend a minute to tell us why?
deletedabout 7 years

Bebop says


MarcellDavis says

You moderators are so pathetic. You say you are getting way too many reports, yet you keep saying "just appeal if you aren't happy with the decision or want to find out why the moderator decided that way" which results in even more reports lmao.


>present an idea openly and ask for people's opinions on it
>some people disagree
>call them pathetic because they dared to express the incorrect opinion

hehe xd


My post was actually directed to you, since you always say that one should rather make an appeal report than a moderator providing a reason for his NV or V. Sad thing is you didn't even react to my conclusion in this post. Typical mod-circle-jerker.


emily says


[...] because it just makes them spend extra time for no reason.



That's not particularly true. Imagine you are handling a report and decide to NV it. The time consuming work, i.e. DETERMINING THAT THIS REPORT SHOULD BE A NV, is already done by you. You basically just summarize the reason for your decision in one single sentence, e.g. "Player XYZ did not let fake cop slip away undetected on purpose."

That's f*cking it. Typing this took me like 10 seconds...
NeverJest
about 7 years
lol ouch

Make me a mod to speed up reports :D
Giga13
about 7 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/6192571/review



Giga13
about 7 years

vilden says

these posts are all gay as f­uck


:p
vilden
about 7 years
one day yall will be a bunch of pranays fighting for the end of corruption



when really all we want to do is play a game of crack the code
vilden
about 7 years
these posts are all gay as f­uck
tyrannosaurusrex
about 7 years
Cinderella busted her glass slipper?
Bebop
about 7 years
if the shoe fits, or rather, doesn't
tyrannosaurusrex
about 7 years

groundhogday says


Bebop says

em user deranged is still upset i didn't get a harassment violation for jokingly calling a user fat once when they weren't even there


do you think deranged is fat


I mean maybe the only reason they weren't there was because they were too fat to get up and go to the computer.
groundhogday
about 7 years

Bebop says

em user deranged is still upset i didn't get a harassment violation for jokingly calling a user fat once when they weren't even there


do you think deranged is fat
groundhogday
about 7 years

liquidMelon77 says

mod corruption isnt a thing and never has been in the past so stop whining about it

ty


mod pedophilia is definitely a thing though
Gerry
about 7 years
this is high level bait/trolling. 10/10.
deletedabout 7 years
Owch, at least he's trying tho.
Bebop
about 7 years

MarcellDavis says

You moderators are so pathetic. You say you are getting way too many reports, yet you keep saying "just appeal if you aren't happy with the decision or want to find out why the moderator decided that way" which results in even more reports lmao.


>present an idea openly and ask for people's opinions on it
>some people disagree
>call them pathetic because they dared to express the incorrect opinion

hehe xd
Giga13
about 7 years
Some moderators used to do this, but when the number of reports began to skyrocket and around the time Riotkiller became admin circa 2013, the rules for reporting someone came into play (i.e. You couldn't just file a report saying 'GT'--this was done also in an attempt to prevent postgame grudge/salt-reporting). In order to save time on the sheer number of reports there were, some of the moderators who would type out reasoning for reports which resulted in no violation stopped providing it every time.

While there are less reports now, it seems silly to make moderators explain why they give no violation on every report that results in a no violation because it just makes them spend extra time for no reason. A few people at most will PM a mod asking why they gave no violation, and instead of typing reasoning for dozens of NVd reports, they only need type the reasoning for the few people who PMd them.

If you have a question about any report outcome, you should PM the mod who handled it. Then if you disagree still, you are welcome to file an appeal.