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why aren't n1 kills random yet?

almost 8 years

Arguments in favor:

  • Works against cheating
  • Works against trolling
  • Benefits competitive gameplay
  • Stops people from using meta to try and clear themselves (I'd never kill X, basically another form of cheating)
  • Stops experienced players from getting N1'ed 50% of the games.
  • Prevents a bunch of reports about grudgekilling, like this one https://epicmafia.com/report/207332 Mods already can't handle the current reports so taking work away from them is always a good thing.

Arguments against:

  • You can't get trolls out of your game. (Because for some reason, being able to kick people from your game is not possible)
  • Lucid would have to do something.
almost 8 years

ArianaGrande says

no


this is why men dont wanna hear you talk.
almost 8 years

JohnnyBravo says

Meta is a bad thing.


Shut up.
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no
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yes, good idea, the best part about this is taking away the "i wouldn't kill them" first posts of the game
almost 8 years
Argument 6 is the weakest argument, it's basically there because the mods are garbage and giving them less chance to screw up is a good thing. Competitive integrity comes first.
By the way, having a guy with a 2 month old account come up to me and tell me I don't understand the game is a bit insulting. It's yet another attack on my person when if you look at join dates, I've been playing this game at least 5 years longer than everyone who replied in this thread. I'm not trying to show off or throw around my credentials, but the argument that I am not experienced enough to comment on this is as bad as the modding.

Meta is a bad thing. It's a bad thing because it very easily enables cheating. Games should be focussed on what happens during them, not before them. You're not understanding the basic gameplay of Mafia, to try and figure out who is fake and who is real.
almost 8 years
If you think that meta is a bad thing, you probably don't understand this game. This feels like what bothers you the most is argument 6, and then you added a bunch of other arguments to justify your idea.
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Yeah but one thing is relevant in 95% of games and the other thing is relevant in a much lower % of games. Just because it doesn't fix all possible cheating issues doesn't mean it won't help.
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Well, the same arguments you can use for any other actions N1 as cc can be beaten with some sort of meta. Once Christmafia was comp'd, Voidzz won a trophy because he played with friends and was given all the items.
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Why? No one likes playing anonymous. If a game requires you to either play on alt accounts or anonymously to get on an even playing ground with other people it's terrible game design, and the fix is really easy.
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If you really want these games, comp anonymous setups.
almost 8 years
Recidivism, answer me this. You say you deleted your account and made a new one because you got N1'ed 80% of the games. Is that good game design? Because really that's what this all comes down to.
almost 8 years

Devante says


JohnnyBravo says

Do you know how many times stats got reset? Probably not, cause you weren't here. I was.

They decide the entire game for the guy getting N1ed every time.


aha! so we finally digress into the actual reasoning behind your thread, you are just upset that sometimes u get n1'd by mafia and you have to sit out and watch the games from the sidelines.


see, this is all i wanted to hear from you, thank you have a great night champ


You really don't speak english. There's a list with arguments, it's at the top of the page. Go attack those instead of trying to attack me.
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JohnnyBravo says

Do you know how many times stats got reset? Probably not, cause you weren't here. I was.

They decide the entire game for the guy getting N1ed every time.


aha! so we finally digress into the actual reasoning behind your thread, you are just upset that sometimes u get n1'd by mafia and you have to sit out and watch the games from the sidelines.


see, this is all i wanted to hear from you, thank you have a great night champ
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Basically I'd take your opinion more serious if your account wasnt a few months old.
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Do you know how many times stats got reset? Probably not, cause you weren't here. I was.

They decide the entire game for the guy getting N1ed every time.
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> Lucid would have to do something.


lol
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JohnnyBravo says


Devante says

well you only play fancy pants so i'm pretty sure you don't even read the games anyways...that was a very stupid question on my part


My account is 8 years old, I have played lots of different setups. Cute how new players are attacking me though.


Most :Played Setups!

fancy pants
guns and hookers
Classic Mafia

JohnnyBravo says

And obviously there will always be out of game influences in games, like said before you can't stop that. But why let those decide the entire game?


they don't decide the entire game, that's just a fallacy you made up
almost 8 years
And obviously there will always be out of game influences in games, like said before you can't stop that. But why let those decide the entire game?
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Devante says

well you only play fancy pants so i'm pretty sure you don't even read the games anyways...that was a very stupid question on my part


My account is 8 years old, I have played lots of different setups. Cute how new players are attacking me though.
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well you only play fancy pants so i'm pretty sure you don't even read the games anyways...that was a very stupid question on my part
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johnnybravo

when u play a game of epicmafia do you not read people based off their past actions and determine how they would react to different scenarios, based off what you may know about them, their score, how many games they've played in x setup ect... ?
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It is part of the game noob. Learn to avoid getting killed n1 if you don't want to die n1. Besides, it is a strategic move. It helps mafia.
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Recidivism says


JohnnyBravo says


Recidivism says

this guy doesn't even play comp he plays fancy pants lol check his games


What does it matter? I don't play comp to avoid the majority of cheaters.


There are usually only 1-2 cheaters a round, and they are usually caught.

I don't need to defend my legitimacy, the mods have reviewed every one of my trophy wins.


the problem with this made up statistic is it's based off those who are caught, and not the ones that got away with it
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elephantasm says


Miguel says


elephantasm says

but it's also not something I'd call playing against your wincon to not fearkill, because it's a subjective value and not everyone does fearkill, with current statistics


It's always subjective, that's why the option is there. For the people that feel the need to fearkill and the people who don't


I'm AGREEING with that. I was, previously, arguing with the idea that it was an "optimal and an inherent part of balance," because it felt like it was implying it's suboptimal not to fearkill, which I do not believe it is


If you want to win, and are sure that the "good" player is capable of lynching you, then yes i think its suboptimal
almost 8 years
It's impossible to exclude all out of game influence, but why not try to reduce it to as little as possible, so the focus shifts a bit more from out of game to actually reading people in the game.