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why aren't n1 kills random yet?

JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years

Arguments in favor:

  • Works against cheating
  • Works against trolling
  • Benefits competitive gameplay
  • Stops people from using meta to try and clear themselves (I'd never kill X, basically another form of cheating)
  • Stops experienced players from getting N1'ed 50% of the games.
  • Prevents a bunch of reports about grudgekilling, like this one https://epicmafia.com/report/207332 Mods already can't handle the current reports so taking work away from them is always a good thing.

Arguments against:

  • You can't get trolls out of your game. (Because for some reason, being able to kick people from your game is not possible)
  • Lucid would have to do something.
JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years
I thought cheaters were modded.
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JohnnyBravo says

Sorry, I live cheatfree. Now stop making all these garbage posts in my thread please.


You can win without cheating if you don't suck, cheaters tend to be banned.
JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years
Sorry, I live cheatfree. Now stop making all these garbage posts in my thread please.
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JohnnyBravo you don't know what being fear killed is until you win at least one trophy
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elephantasm says


Miguel says


Miguel says


elephantasm says


Recidivism says

I kill the best town players in my games when I am mafia, which is part of the reason I win trophies. Try it out sometime. Why on earth would I not choose to murder the player most likely to catch me?


because it takes no skill to n1 someone and certainly not a mafia-related one so it doesn't feel legitimate for everyone doing the n1ing (though it's clearly subjective), it's not fun for them if they get n1ed all the time, and it's more fun to play with those players, which pose a challenge, than players who are newer/less experienced and easier to dupe

you have a right to fearkill all you want but it's not an inherent part of balance, imo


What's to say it takes no skill? Even n1 kills can be strategical


Whether because of some influence that happened outside of the game or because you want to denounce someone from trying to meta clear themselves it provides mafia with a plan on what to do


ok. Takes a different skill that isn't necessarily what everyone wants to do, ergo, killing based on factors like what will be less fun or even who's the first on the list is not being intentionally suboptimal


Winning isn't always fun
JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years

Devante says


JohnnyBravo says

it stops people from meta-clearing themselves, it stops people from leaving their cheatbuddy alive on purpose.


Meta clearing is part of the game, so is reading people based off their kills and their reactions to the kills. You don't know how to scum hunt which is why this is so hard for you to grasp


Exactly the opposite mate.
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Miguel says


Miguel says


elephantasm says


Recidivism says

I kill the best town players in my games when I am mafia, which is part of the reason I win trophies. Try it out sometime. Why on earth would I not choose to murder the player most likely to catch me?


because it takes no skill to n1 someone and certainly not a mafia-related one so it doesn't feel legitimate for everyone doing the n1ing (though it's clearly subjective), it's not fun for them if they get n1ed all the time, and it's more fun to play with those players, which pose a challenge, than players who are newer/less experienced and easier to dupe

you have a right to fearkill all you want but it's not an inherent part of balance, imo


What's to say it takes no skill? Even n1 kills can be strategical


Whether because of some influence that happened outside of the game or because you want to denounce someone from trying to meta clear themselves it provides mafia with a plan on what to do


ok. Takes a different skill that isn't necessarily what everyone wants to do, ergo, killing based on factors like what will be less fun or even who's the first on the list is not being intentionally suboptimal
Devante
almost 8 years

JohnnyBravo says

it stops people from meta-clearing themselves, it stops people from leaving their cheatbuddy alive on purpose.


Meta clearing is part of the game, so is reading people based off their kills and their reactions to the kills. You don't know how to scum hunt which is why this is so hard for you to grasp
JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years

Recidivism says


JohnnyBravo says

Then you must really like your cheating?


No, I really like playing optimally, which includes fear killing.


How about we take the fearkilling out of it, people can play the game on their accounts without being forced into alts (you're about me complaining about fearkilling while you're the one who apparently deleted his account over it), and then you can play the game optimally by youknow, pretending to be town as maf and trying to find maf as town. That sorta thing.
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elephantasm says


Recidivism says

I sincerely doubt anyone in this thread has been fear killed more than I was on my 80% w/r Triumphant account that I literally deleted because I couldn't survive the first night.


ok but it doesn't change that it's not an inherent part of setup balance, does it? confused as to what I'm missing here


The current setups have the statistics they have now with fear killing included. Everything would tilt townsided without fear killing.
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Recidivism says

I sincerely doubt anyone in this thread has been fear killed more than I was on my 80% w/r Triumphant account that I literally deleted because I couldn't survive the first night.


ok but it doesn't change that it's not an inherent part of setup balance, does it? confused as to what I'm missing here
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Miguel says


elephantasm says


Recidivism says

I kill the best town players in my games when I am mafia, which is part of the reason I win trophies. Try it out sometime. Why on earth would I not choose to murder the player most likely to catch me?


because it takes no skill to n1 someone and certainly not a mafia-related one so it doesn't feel legitimate for everyone doing the n1ing (though it's clearly subjective), it's not fun for them if they get n1ed all the time, and it's more fun to play with those players, which pose a challenge, than players who are newer/less experienced and easier to dupe

you have a right to fearkill all you want but it's not an inherent part of balance, imo


What's to say it takes no skill? Even n1 kills can be strategical


Whether because of some influence that happened outside of the game or because you want to denounce someone from trying to meta clear themselves it provides mafia with a plan on what to do
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JohnnyBravo says

It's cheating when someone does it 100% of the time, I have had it happen in my games.


FTR he's right about this
JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years
It's cheating when someone does it 100% of the time, I have had it happen in my games.
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JohnnyBravo says

Then you must really like your cheating?


No, I really like playing optimally, which includes fear killing.
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JohnnyBravo says

it stops people from meta-clearing themselves, it stops people from leaving their cheatbuddy alive on purpose.


metaclearing is not cheating. It is possible for mafia to fake metaclear, or for one mafia to be a friend of a town and be forced to kill that person by the partner, or for someone to kill randomly.

You can dislike metaclearing but you can't call it cheating.
JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years
Then you must really like your cheating?
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I sincerely doubt anyone in this thread has been fear killed more than I was on my 80% w/r Triumphant account that I literally deleted because I couldn't survive the first night.
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elephantasm says


Recidivism says

I kill the best town players in my games when I am mafia, which is part of the reason I win trophies. Try it out sometime. Why on earth would I not choose to murder the player most likely to catch me?


because it takes no skill to n1 someone and certainly not a mafia-related one so it doesn't feel legitimate for everyone doing the n1ing (though it's clearly subjective), it's not fun for them if they get n1ed all the time, and it's more fun to play with those players, which pose a challenge, than players who are newer/less experienced and easier to dupe

you have a right to fearkill all you want but it's not an inherent part of balance, imo


What's to say it takes no skill? Even n1 kills can be strategical
JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years

Recidivism says

JohnnyBravo, looking at your stats, somehow I don't think being fearkilled is much of a problem for you anywhere outside of your head


I think people fearkill more based on experience than anything else, this account Im using is from 2009 which is basically older than everyone here. (post ur main if u wanna argue that)
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elephantasm says


Recidivism says

I kill the best town players in my games when I am mafia, which is part of the reason I win trophies. Try it out sometime. Why on earth would I not choose to murder the player most likely to catch me?


because it takes no skill to n1 someone and certainly not a mafia-related one so it doesn't feel legitimate for everyone doing the n1ing (though it's clearly subjective), it's not fun for them if they get n1ed all the time, and it's more fun to play with those players

you have a right to fearkill all you want but it's not an inherent part of balance, imo


I get fearkilled. Why would I not fearkill? I don't try to lose.
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Recidivism says

I kill the best town players in my games when I am mafia, which is part of the reason I win trophies. Try it out sometime. Why on earth would I not choose to murder the player most likely to catch me?


because it takes no skill to n1 someone and certainly not a mafia-related one so it doesn't feel legitimate for everyone doing the n1ing (though it's clearly subjective), it's not fun for them if they get n1ed all the time, and it's more fun to play with those players, which pose a challenge, than players who are newer/less experienced and easier to dupe

you have a right to fearkill all you want but it's not an inherent part of balance, imo
JohnnyBravo
almost 8 years
it stops people from meta-clearing themselves, it stops people from leaving their cheatbuddy alive on purpose.
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JohnnyBravo, looking at your stats, somehow I don't think being fearkilled is much of a problem for you anywhere outside of your head
Devante
almost 8 years
but it doesn't