I have been in many games where people meta-clear themselves or others just because they say they could never kill someone n1 or whatever. 1, it can trick newer players. 2, it can form unfair teams of people that assume, "Oh they could never kill this person so they aren't mafia." Meta-clearing can unfairly influence games. It has caused me to lose and win games unfairly. Clearing someone because they can't kill someone just because they have some sort of tie to them shouldn't be allowed. It has happened multiple times in games and makes them no fun to play. It is definitely a form of outside influence since it is something that doesn't relate to the game and affect the outcome. It isn't stated in the rules as OGI unless the meta is clearly shown on their profile, which doesn't make much sense because someone could have a meta without posting it on their profile. Faking a meta-clear should also be against the rules. Join the petition to make meta-clearing OGI.
To put it in a different perspective, one of my comments is, "Think about it like if you were to kill someone irl, you wouldn't just be shoved out of the possibilities of murderers because you love them or know them well, you will still be put on a questioning list etc."
Make meta-clearing OGI
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Stop people from clearing themselves or others because of meta.
My point also includes that choosing to believe such a dumb claim like, "I can't be mafia since that person died," is considered somewhat gt because anyone could say that and they could be telling the truth or not. Believing it is just being extremely dumb and changing the game in ways that shouldn't happen.
I agree, but I have been in games where people have been playing together for a while and automatically clear themselves just because a certain person dies, and my vote is never heard because everyone else believes in it. It is like of form of gt at that point.
Players should be skeptical of a meta clear regardless in the event they are being manipulated. The only reason meta-clearing exists is because people allow it to be used as a viable argument. If an investigator decided to rule out suspects because they "loved" the victim, we wouldn't blame the suspect for leveraging a relationship. We would call the investigator incompetent for letting themselves be fooled by such a flimsy argument. Meta clearing is a form of AtE and part of being good at mafia is being able to read through wifom and AtE.
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ya but the issue lies in the fact that a lot of people actually dont ever kill their friends lol
it comes back around to the spirit of the game being ruined cuz of the "always honest" type of deal
only if its in multiple games or when u use it to clear like half of the table then ok. otherwise meta and fake meta cant be banned bc it's ur fault believeing.
kind of when ppl swear on someone, I wouldnt do it but that doesnt mean some1 else would lie on that to win. and i was against it but now i see it and although its an ''unfair' move, everything is allowed
except isp because this cant be read. unless you fake it badly but yes the only thing is ban isp. its a textbased game not a webcam game where u need text to make a decision and someone who doesnt participate cant be read.
then don't meta clear people and if others do, cry about it and you'll be lynched for it. think about it like if you were to kill someone irl, you wouldn't just shove all the blame on someone close to them without being suspected for pushing so awkwardly on someone. this is just like mafia. OBEY THE META CLEARS.
That's not the point. Being exempt from checks/fos's just because of meta is unfair, and doesn't happen in real life. This game appears to strive to be as realistic as it can being what it is, yet meta remains and changes the play style into something quite different.
I agree that the meta-clear thing is actually pretty stupid.
Meta-clear in itself is a giant wifom tactic, regardless of in-game role
Knowing this though, you can usually smell a fake meta-clear from a real one.
In the end, it's part of the game. It's not going away, and the noobs have to learn to overcome it. The rest of us learned how to play with it, so they are going to have to as well.
Think about it like if you were to kill someone irl, you wouldn't just be shoved out of the possibilities of murderers because you love them or know them well, you will still be put on a questioning list etc.
@bonk this would give an unfair advantage or disadvantage to other players. either she lies and kills glow and becomes a "clear" or someone else kills glow and she becomes a "clear". they could avoid it by not killing glow but assume it works vice versa so they can't kill either person without a clear automatically arising.
