I have been in many games where people meta-clear themselves or others just because they say they could never kill someone n1 or whatever. 1, it can trick newer players. 2, it can form unfair teams of people that assume, "Oh they could never kill this person so they aren't mafia." Meta-clearing can unfairly influence games. It has caused me to lose and win games unfairly. Clearing someone because they can't kill someone just because they have some sort of tie to them shouldn't be allowed. It has happened multiple times in games and makes them no fun to play. It is definitely a form of outside influence since it is something that doesn't relate to the game and affect the outcome. It isn't stated in the rules as OGI unless the meta is clearly shown on their profile, which doesn't make much sense because someone could have a meta without posting it on their profile. Faking a meta-clear should also be against the rules. Join the petition to make meta-clearing OGI.
To put it in a different perspective, one of my comments is, "Think about it like if you were to kill someone irl, you wouldn't just be shoved out of the possibilities of murderers because you love them or know them well, you will still be put on a questioning list etc."
Make meta-clearing OGI
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Stop people from clearing themselves or others because of meta.
First of all, if you people meta clear someone because of what they say, you are bad. This isn't something that needs to be implemented. People just need to stop being ignorant. Just because you're best friends with Jan and Jan dies n1, that doesn't mean a damn thing to me. And any player that says "Oh I'm meta clear" is an idiot...but still less of an idiot than the OTHER players that go along with it. People do it all the time, sure, it doesn't make it any more legit than me saying "I can't be mafia because *insert wifom here*."
You make a strong point. I think there are a lot of people (myself included) that have trouble seeing their shortcomings and project those out to other people. It's because nobody wants to admit that maybe they're not as good as they thought they were. The problem is, especially in red hearts, there is a limit to how much you can improve. The only way you can get better is to play with people you can admit are better than you. It seems most of those people migrated to comp. Maybe one day if I get tired of around in the main red heart games, I'll actually try and get good in comp.
You can disregard people's meta, because they might be wrong and because it's boring, but you can't get them in trouble for their thought processes on the game.
if this game strives to appear realistic it's doing a bad job of it.
My point w/ the sarcasm was just that the logic might be disregarded in that context but the people who offered it up in the first place wouldn't get in TROUBLE for it. It's only natural to use all information at your disposal to win a game about finding the mafia. If people thought things but didn't say them, that'd just be an obstruction on the game in this case. You can't stop people from thinking things.
This would all be solved if you'd just play dawnstart setups ~_^
I think you're wrong. I very rarely see comp players circlejerking in red hearts, it happens equally if not more in unranked games. Lots of comp players only play gold hearts and nothing else.
The problem is the lack of talent found in regular red heart players. Play a few red hearts and it's obvious, see them come into a comp game and it's like they're playing their first game of mafia. Since main lobby itself is a competitive scene, and every other wannabe is a keyboard warrior, the majority refuse to take criticism and remain obstinate in their ways.
It's refreshing to see red heart players who are willing to learn, but it's rare.
Making it into an offense worth a vio won't change the underlying problem. It won't make people better, it's just going to either encourage ways to get around that rule or encourage other forms of lazy metareading.
It could be loosely enforced as someone suggested, maybe if the mods received a report of it and checked the game for specific qualifications. It wouldn't be too difficult. I would be willing to look over reports too, I think it is fun to look at the cases.
Unfortunately, it's true. The number of people that take red heart games seriously is diminishing as they just use those types of games to socialize with friends. Ideally, that's what they would use unranked for. Practically that's not what happens. The only way to stop meta clearing is to break the power of the circle jerk, which means making the setup anon.
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Yeah I know, but the calibre of playing you get in common red heart setups like those leaves a lot to be desired, so honestly this kind of complaint is pointless.
I have played FP more than anything, but have started play G&H and coco's a lot too. There was a time when all people would play would pretty much be FP so that's all I did.
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Your wording suggests otherwise, but it's generally not hard to convince other players that meta clearing is bollocks. Then again, you play Fancy Pants more than anything.
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I mean. Unless the mods have an axe to grind with you and go out of their way to read literal dozens of your games, it's incredibly unlikely that honest meta like this actually gets punished. It'd be far more easy to loosely enforce something like this because it actually is a garbage, lazy way to play.
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quit bruh this won't happen unless you have connections or money.
I don't believe meta clears... You clearly haven't read anything here, I said other players, usually newer players or friends of the people who claim to be meta clear, believe them.
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Don't be so naive as to believe someone meta-clearing themselves then.
If you want to remove metas, you have to comp anonymous setups. There's no other way. Forbid meta on EM is like prohibition in the USA. People will leave EM and start to play ToS or mafiascum.
