Poser, Do you know how many times i have been sad, annoyed, angry at people who have cheated and took 1/2/3 place over me, even if i have tried and not cheated?
You can't say there are no consequences and Cheating is not that bad, when i know how it feels. How depressing it is .
IRL police and epicmafia moderators are quite different, it's incredibly easy to avoid being a literal criminal in real life rather than something on the internet where you are not only playing a GAME rather than life, but you're anonymous with your friends who are also equally anonymous as you are.
In general, how many commercials do you see on television about cheating on games being immoral? How many flyers do you see telling you not to fall into the peer pressure of cheating for trophies? Probably 0, in fact, definitely 0.
There are plenty of IRL PSAs to people since they've been children to be moral folks who don't murder, do drugs, drink underage, all the things that break the law - as compared to Epicmafia who rarely has "friendly reminders" about not cheating. Maybe if it was engraved into your brain as a child not to ever break the rules in games then you'd feel wrong to do so, but unless your friends excluded you from groups everytime you took extra monopoly money I doubt anyone is going to feel the equal amount of terror when breaking game rules
The point about Ex-Cheaters being mods because they can catch cheaters easilly is INVALID because there are role mods that catch cheaters FOR the mod team.
So are you saying that YOU can't catch cheaters? And that if you teach me how to catch cheaters i will be incapable of doing it because you told me how?
Doesnt that prove you can't catch cheaters either?
"In general" ?? Do we mean unreformed cheaters, yes - duh. Cheaters who are reformed and different are fine and if anything possibly more skilled than regular players who investigate cheating. There are a broad spectrum of cheaters. I almost typed cheerios. I hate my life.
I mean you obviously won't like what someone says about you but I'm sure that she invested more time and text than any other person who applied to be a moderator atm would have done, whether they've cheated in the past or not - therefore making her incredibly hard to replace, not just by skill by also time and effort invested - she's also very skilled as it is.
The former can be expected but how often is it accurate? I can only think of two current mods / role mods who are heavily invested in the cheating investigations and previously cheated.
The first is you, whom I actually do rate as a good moderator, but your recent ban against yachi, glow and jakerton was overturned thanks to Cody's dissertation on the matter. Hopefully this was a one-off scenario.
The second is Sammie, who's pastebins are often rather weak and seemingly only spiralling downhill.
As I stated, these things and other factors with some of the current mods, make it very difficult to trust or have faith in moderators who have formerly been banned or cheated. On a daily basis issues like these arise.
Would not the best solution be to have clean moderators taught how best to find cheaters by those with the experience? There are good people who can moderate and whom are trusted by the community [because they haven't cheated].
In general, finding people nowadays who will not only find the cheaters but invest the time to read every single game, write it up well, show and convince people is very slim. There are some who can do this naturally, others can try and just "want" it to be cheating and then fail miserably upon writing it up.
Because of the latter existing so frequently in people who haven't cheated before(and in general, really), the former is expected with previous cheaters considering they know exactly what goes on behind the scenes.
I'm sure that if there was the option of barring all cheaters from the site to replace with cleaner, better people that would certainly be the case. However, given that people who are reformed have proved themselves to be useful and difficult to replace (even if their cleaner counterparts may even be 10% less skilled) this is exactly why they are useful and should stay put.
I'm not going to go too far into this but there are current mods who could very easily be banned right now for things they've been doing recently. Not cheating, but it does make me question how much trust I can put in our moderation team, and I brought this issue of trust up on page one.
Literally, the only positive argument to having "reformed" cheaters on the moderation team is that they'll know how to catch cheaters. Or at least you'd think so, but on my own run abc's GTing in my games wasn't found until it was too late. Furthermore, the incredibly weak pastebins we've seen recently (not all of them) from former cheaters, suggests they really aren't great at catching those which they themselves used to be.
Now Ex-Cheaters being REAL moderators , just show that anyone can cheat, and get away with it AND be a moderator on top of all, which actually encourages cheating.
I'm 110% sure poser got modded because she was well known by the admin and mod team as a whole and thus was accepted quite easily. If another user who had cheated applied for mod, I'm also sure they wouldn't be accepted unless they've got a bigger prescence known.
Of course, that is to say that the latter user hasn't shown that they've changed like poser has, nor has poser shown any indication of being harmful to the site. She's done a good job as a mod imo.
I do agree that cheaters, and just cheaters alone, should never be accepted as a moderator but I do think people can change, it just takes a lot for them to be accepted a la poser.
2nd Round - Debate
