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Just Allow Cheating

about 8 years

Guys, listen, I think you have forgotten something.

You have forgotten to enjoy this game and made it into something it's not. Mafia is not a good competitive game. It's not good at proving skill in this format, either, but that being said, most of you who trophy are very, very skillful.

We all get that. We are proud of your intellect and your ability to persuade.

But let's just be honest: most of you rig games now because guess what, that's what has always been done. Friends have always thrown for friends, and it's been that way since Day 1, to be honest.

What's changed is the way you conceal it, or the methodology, or just the attitude towards it.

Moving forward, I'm going to ask that the staff begins to allow friend meta, coding to friends, etc., so forth. Stop trying to catch cheaters.

We need to wane back on the report system entirely. People were always misbehaving, and they will continue to find a way to do so. Hateful remarks aside, which should be dealt with, the report system has done more harm than good to this site.

And at the core of the issue is cheating. Cheating used to just be in the game's chat. We had conversations that had implications, leading to rolesharing, teaming, etc. Now you guys are so shady about it and you always do it outside of the game, in another chat. What you've done with this process is remove the more freestyle conversation, the party element of Epicmafia.

The report system's penalizations, starting out incredibly strict, gradually diminished in strength on the broad range of what was considered inappropriate gameplay. However, the damage has been done, and the reality is that the gameplay has suffered from people's playing around the rules.

Because that's what people do on the internet. They skirt the rules, because they can online. That's what makes it fun. And unfortunately, when the game we're playing suddenly requires you to take that fun conversation outside of the game, then we're not really having a conversation at all, are we? We're just rehearsing roles, filling in mechanical duties, sheeping clears, and systemizing the setup's variation on Mafia.

And this, this my friends, is what has happened to EM. This restrictive environment has not helped cultivate the game, and unfortunately, as necessary as it was at the point of its implementation, it only has shrunk the site, rather than retain the playerbase (admittedly it did so for a time).

Again, the reality of the long-term effects of the Report System has been a culture of moving the conversation outside of the game, and so as a player that tries to only speak inside the game, I can tell you, it's just not the same anymore. It used to be quite something else. Much more diverse, and not even close to this formulaic, guided gameplay.

Anyway, this is my little recommendation. Take it if you want. I think the site would be better off just silently acknowledging and accepting that people will always cheat in the game if they can, and let us all just enjoy that amusing experience. Because that's what a social psychological game is: amusing and experimental - not routine and competitive.

Cheers,

Vex/Derpachu/Vash/Orly/MMLM/et al

tl;dr, let cheating happen, it is literally a part of the game, so it will always happen somehow, and memes prosper. harambe smiles down on us

also unban everyone. seriously.

about 8 years

Tatami says

Man dude

about 8 years

Arcbell says


Sincerely says

u mean like ppl like thecolonel get away with now, blatantly


Thecolonel cheats? with who?


no thecolonel goes around trying to make people mad because he thinks it's funny or clever and it's really not and harassment is supposed to be a vio

but whatever
about 8 years
r u projecting lono
about 8 years

Sincerely says

u mean like ppl like thecolonel get away with now, blatantly


Thecolonel cheats? with who?
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Arcbell says

Allowing cheating would create really obnoxious groups of people who just go around blatantly cheating and throwing against people they don't like thriving not off the thrill of getting away with an elicit act, but off the enjoyment over making people they don't like mad all the time.


I don't think he actually wants to allow cheating, just to make the point that (mostly) everybody here cheats, even when they don't admit it. Cause they do.
about 8 years
u mean like ppl like thecolonel get away with now, blatantly
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lol
about 8 years
Allowing cheating would create really obnoxious groups of people who just go around blatantly cheating and throwing against people they don't like thriving not off the thrill of getting away with an elicit act, but off the enjoyment over making people they don't like mad all the time.
about 8 years

Sims says

just allow it


MODS HATE FUN
about 8 years
it would take the appeal out of cheating for cool cheaters like blister and leave only the ones actually doing it for fake internet points or however the meme goes

kind of the opposite of what the first 2 sentences in orly's post imply he's vying for
about 8 years
just allow it
about 8 years

Nano says

this is actually a pretty good post unless it's a joke then i just feel stupid


i don't know if it's a joke and i didn't read it beyond the first sentence or so but i can't imagine cheating would be very fun if it were allowed, and also the game is occasionally still played unironically by some nerds and said nerds would probably rather cheating not be allowed for the sake of the game, not that i would know or anything, haha, ha
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this is actually a pretty good post unless it's a joke then i just feel stupid
about 8 years
ban everyone who +1ed the thread
about 8 years
Legalize harrassment while your at it, we all have people we dislike so should be able to send them death threats without missing out on the game. lol
about 8 years
Legalize cheating and tax it heavily so the economy can benefit. There's no reason to put people in jail for simple crimes like this.
about 8 years

Vedd says

legalise cheating

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legalise cheating
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just go play main lobby with noavis in the game
about 8 years
Just join Sandbox lol
about 8 years
juss stop cheatin for trophies u lil chumps
about 8 years
just make all the cheaters play with other cheaters

cheater lobby trophy may the best cheater win
about 8 years
Vash? The stampede?
about 8 years
great idea sexmachine, but yeah, playerbase size hampers it. maybe if you were around when reports were implemented, though, tbqh there were enough ppl back then that that might have worked with one single lobby
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support!

i had this idea a long time ago where

there would be an automated ghost ban system. and what it does is...the players that you can see on the game page are only those that have a similar number of violations as you.

so like if i had 1 violation and made a game...the only players that can see my game are the players with 0-2 violations.

similarly, if i had 5 violations...the only players that can see my table are the ones with 3-5 violations.

nobody gets banned. but the players with 0-2 vios will play together...

ppl with 3-5 vios will play together

and ppl with 6-8 vios will play together

of course this would work better with a larger userbase