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Just Allow Cheating

about 8 years

Guys, listen, I think you have forgotten something.

You have forgotten to enjoy this game and made it into something it's not. Mafia is not a good competitive game. It's not good at proving skill in this format, either, but that being said, most of you who trophy are very, very skillful.

We all get that. We are proud of your intellect and your ability to persuade.

But let's just be honest: most of you rig games now because guess what, that's what has always been done. Friends have always thrown for friends, and it's been that way since Day 1, to be honest.

What's changed is the way you conceal it, or the methodology, or just the attitude towards it.

Moving forward, I'm going to ask that the staff begins to allow friend meta, coding to friends, etc., so forth. Stop trying to catch cheaters.

We need to wane back on the report system entirely. People were always misbehaving, and they will continue to find a way to do so. Hateful remarks aside, which should be dealt with, the report system has done more harm than good to this site.

And at the core of the issue is cheating. Cheating used to just be in the game's chat. We had conversations that had implications, leading to rolesharing, teaming, etc. Now you guys are so shady about it and you always do it outside of the game, in another chat. What you've done with this process is remove the more freestyle conversation, the party element of Epicmafia.

The report system's penalizations, starting out incredibly strict, gradually diminished in strength on the broad range of what was considered inappropriate gameplay. However, the damage has been done, and the reality is that the gameplay has suffered from people's playing around the rules.

Because that's what people do on the internet. They skirt the rules, because they can online. That's what makes it fun. And unfortunately, when the game we're playing suddenly requires you to take that fun conversation outside of the game, then we're not really having a conversation at all, are we? We're just rehearsing roles, filling in mechanical duties, sheeping clears, and systemizing the setup's variation on Mafia.

And this, this my friends, is what has happened to EM. This restrictive environment has not helped cultivate the game, and unfortunately, as necessary as it was at the point of its implementation, it only has shrunk the site, rather than retain the playerbase (admittedly it did so for a time).

Again, the reality of the long-term effects of the Report System has been a culture of moving the conversation outside of the game, and so as a player that tries to only speak inside the game, I can tell you, it's just not the same anymore. It used to be quite something else. Much more diverse, and not even close to this formulaic, guided gameplay.

Anyway, this is my little recommendation. Take it if you want. I think the site would be better off just silently acknowledging and accepting that people will always cheat in the game if they can, and let us all just enjoy that amusing experience. Because that's what a social psychological game is: amusing and experimental - not routine and competitive.

Cheers,

Vex/Derpachu/Vash/Orly/MMLM/et al

tl;dr, let cheating happen, it is literally a part of the game, so it will always happen somehow, and memes prosper. harambe smiles down on us

also unban everyone. seriously.

about 8 years
In theory we could allow cheating. It would create a new 'game' in which we need to determine whether or not the person across from us is "on our team" as well as if they are "really on our team". Its a double challenge. I like that. The game gives everyone a random role, but you also chose your username's role. Do you choose to be a lone wolf, playing on your own? Do you choose to team with a group of friends in order to increase your odds of winning? Do you join a cheating ring and lie to them simply to screw them over for cheating? Do you join multiple cheating rings in order to be a mole and sabotage one group to benefit another? It sounds like a wonderful game within the game. Orly, I'm with this idea. I suggest you create a cheating lobby as a test.
about 8 years

jack says

"Making repeated/severe personal attacks toward or slandering another Epicmafia user when the user has shown the harasser that he is offended."

your blanket statement of intentionally making someone angry isn't at all what constitutes the rule, and if we gave out vios because people had angered other users, half the userbase would be banned


i missed this post lol

yes angry was the wrong word but i was quoting arcbell so blame him tyvm
about 8 years

Sincerely says

trying to upset people over the internet just to spite them is honestly a potential indicator of dangerous mental instability and i just find it really hilariously stupid that mist got demodded for that incident so it's really not to much of a step further for cheating to be allowed. Let's go back to the olden days tatami possibly lied to me about, when reverse mafia was competitive and anarchy reigned


My goodness gracious everyone read dis.

*Takes deep breaths*

Let me read again to make sure I got the message
about 8 years
he broke gimmick this guy is a FARCE
about 8 years
Hey real talk. This thread is the reason competitive games need an exclusive place (VIP room) to play proper maf. If you're all actually discussin' this
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I muted thecolonel a long while ago and the forums have been a better place
about 8 years

Sincerely says

oh wait was rutab the one referencing harambe? i assumed there was actually a reference to harambe earlier in the thread, before rutab posted about harambe


its in the end of the OP
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Sincerely says


Nano says

this is actually a pretty good post unless it's a joke then i just feel stupid


i don't know if it's a joke and i didn't read it beyond the first sentence or so but i can't imagine cheating would be very fun if it were allowed, and also the game is occasionally still played unironically by some nerds and said nerds would probably rather cheating not be allowed for the sake of the game, not that i would know or anything, haha, ha


uh oh this is the world(Em) famous Em humour
about 8 years
He's not ian.
about 8 years

Arcbell says

How does thecolonel go around harassing? I'm just genuinely curious.


the mist incident is what i'm referring to but i've legit never seen a remotely clever post from that account and will be mildly disappointed if he's really ian
about 8 years
How does thecolonel go around harassing? I'm just genuinely curious.
about 8 years
oh wait was rutab the one referencing harambe? i assumed there was actually a reference to harambe earlier in the thread, before rutab posted about harambe
about 8 years
harambe is the worst meme i've ever seen and i don't say that lightly
about 8 years
This thread would have been kinda okay if you had not included a reference to Harambe
about 8 years
sorry escurai i don't waste my time counting posts to make sure people who can't be assed clicking a button know what's going on in a banal epicmafia conversation

i waste my time shitposting on epicmafia instead
about 8 years
You can't do a reply without a quote when it goes over a page, that's an illegal move
about 8 years
i'm just arguing semantics right now for the sake of it but it's important because it limits future confusion
about 8 years
i noticed

i'm saying it's stupid and unfunny, and i would know, because i'm also stupid and unfunny
about 8 years
"Making repeated/severe personal attacks toward or slandering another Epicmafia user when the user has shown the harasser that he is offended."

your blanket statement of intentionally making someone angry isn't at all what constitutes the rule, and if we gave out vios because people had angered other users, half the userbase would be banned
about 8 years

Sincerely says

trying to upset people over the internet just to spite them is honestly a potential indicator of dangerous mental instability and i just find it really hilariously stupid that mist got demodded for that incident so it's really not to much of a step further for cheating to be allowed. Let's go back to the olden days tatami possibly lied to me about, when reverse mafia was competitive and anarchy reigned


I think you'll find he often succeeds at upsetting people
about 8 years

Arcbell says

Allowing [this action] would create really obnoxious groups of people who just go around [acting] against people they don't like thriving not off the thrill of getting away with an elicit act, but off the enjoyment over making people they don't like mad all the time.

about 8 years
doing it repeatedly and in a way that's genuinely aiming to upset them in a serious way isn't the definition of harassment?

i mean admittedly i haven't looked over that rule in forever so idrk but it would be vioed on any other website save 4chan
about 8 years

Sincerely says


Arcbell says


Sincerely says

u mean like ppl like thecolonel get away with now, blatantly


Thecolonel cheats? with who?


no thecolonel goes around trying to make people mad because he thinks it's funny or clever and it's really not and harassment is supposed to be a vio

but whatever


trying to make people mad isn't violation worthy
about 8 years
trying to upset people over the internet just to spite them is honestly a potential indicator of dangerous mental instability and i just find it really hilariously stupid that mist got demodded for that incident so it's really not to much of a step further for cheating to be allowed. Let's go back to the olden days tatami possibly lied to me about, when reverse mafia was competitive and anarchy reigned
about 8 years

Sincerely says


Arcbell says


Sincerely says

u mean like ppl like thecolonel get away with now, blatantly


Thecolonel cheats? with who?


no thecolonel goes around trying to make people mad because he thinks it's funny or clever and it's really not and harassment is supposed to be a vio

but whatever


he's funny but he's no rutab