Jeff sits back at his computer, furiously typing with Dorito fingers:

"ha, these top 3 are such losers getting a trophy on jan 2.0. I now know that, since they got a trophy on jan 2.0, they suck. and I am better. haha"

someone email lucid that it's time to hold bi-monthly mod elections

someone email lucid that it's time to hold bi-monthly mod elections

jack says

JeffreyAaron says

I know when I check someone's trophies and I see one on Jan 2.0 I think to myself "Okay, so they don't actually have a trophy. They won a crapshoot. Cool."

jesus christ

Do you think a Jan 2.0 trophy is even close to being a legitimate trophy indicating that said person who won it is a superior player on Epicmafia.com?

Escurai says

Sims says

29/17 isn't even an impressive record, if he was being thrown for he would probably do way better

Here at epicmafia instead of trying to reform cheaters, we encourage them to git gud at cheating instead

seriously though, yeah. if you're going to cheat at least be good at it.

jack says

JeffreyAaron says

I know when I check someone's trophies and I see one on Jan 2.0 I think to myself "Okay, so they don't actually have a trophy. They won a crapshoot. Cool."

jesus christ

Do you think a Jan 2.0 trophy is even close to being a legitimate trophy indicating that said person who won it is a superior player on Epicmafia.com?

Sims says

29/17 isn't even an impressive record, if he was being thrown for he would probably do way better

Here at epicmafia instead of trying to reform cheaters, we encourage them to git gud at cheating instead

JeffreyAaron says

I know when I check someone's trophies and I see one on Jan 2.0 I think to myself "Okay, so they don't actually have a trophy. They won a crapshoot. Cool."

jesus christ

Ripple says

I don't think w/l ratio has to do with meta abuse it's just you play so many games with a person it makes it really easy to read them and even the meta itself

The logic you're bringing up cody is like saying if me and Nat played 40 games in comp but the win loss is 50% that couldn't be meta abuse

I was responding to Bigpock's attempt to use statistics to cast bad light on me. You're not wrong in that more games with someone tends to give you an easier time reading that person, but when the goal isn't to get the other person to win games but rather win your own game at all points in time, I don't think a serious case for any "meta abuse" can be made.

Regarding your second paragraph, that was why I chose my wording very specifically in the last paragraph of my earlier post. The absolute win rate isn't what is important when it comes to using statistics as a litmus test for meta abuse; it's the relative win rate with certain players versus other players. Suppose she had a 50% win rate with you and 25% win rate with others. Then you'd be more inclined to call foul play, versus if she had 45-55% with others.

Bigpock says

Yes she won 80% of games with cody, yes she would 80% of games without cody. But im not listing all the friends she played with and has the same 80% win rate with. ^.^

Playing with friends, them playing for you. helps. a lot. Only makes you have to win less games without having a friend play for you. like real mafia should be, unbiased anonymous names

Playing games with friends isn't the same as playing games for friends (with the intent to "carry" them to wins). It's good to see that you're outright refusing to look at evidence after I called you out on your BS attempt at using numbers though.

29/17 isn't even an impressive record, if he was being thrown for he would probably do way better

Sims says

expose says

something i didnt bother to read

same

I will always upvote these posts

I know when I check someone's trophies and I see one on Jan 2.0 I think to myself "Okay, so they don't actually have a trophy. They won a crapshoot. Cool."

expose says

something i didnt bother to read

same

poser says

I stopped reading after "he" that's so disrespectful ~_~

Almost as disrespectful as making a pastebin with no effort trying to get someone banned, shake my dang head to be quite honest.

Regardless re uploading with correct gender pronouns
http://pastebin.com/JXckQ5Bq

I don't think w/l ratio has to do with meta abuse it's just you play so many games with a person it makes it really easy to read them and even the meta itself

The logic you're bringing up cody is like saying if me and Nat played 40 games in comp but the win loss is 50% that couldn't be meta abuse

Yes she won 80% of games with cody, yes she would 80% of games without cody. But im not listing all the friends she played with and has the same 80% win rate with. ^.^

Playing with friends, them playing for you. helps. a lot. Only makes you have to win less games without having a friend play for you. like real mafia should be, unbiased anonymous names

I don't care about a trophy being attached to one of my throwaway alts. Everyone already knows I've won this round on my own accord with zero benefit from the throwers regardless if it gets reset or not.

The issue I have here is geared toward how future rounds will be dealt with. If this round gets reset it's going to set a very bad precedent for future rounds. Not to mention the hassle it's going to be for an additional 10 day round + 2 days of investigations. Basically Round 446 is going to last an entire month and the competition after the reset will be even messier to deal with because there will probably be even more subtle throws given how little it takes to reset a round.

In addition, certain mods are using Potted's tainted run based on the games thrown AFTER the round had already ended as a reason to reset the round. Potted had not played their hearts by midnight and played them the following day. This is not a legitimate reason to reset a round.

What I'm afraid that is going to happen in the future is that someone will compile a pastebin of 30 subtly thrown games in order to try to get a round reset. They will use this round as precedent to do so. In the past rounds have only been reset if multiple runners (especially those in trophy position) were significantly impact in a way that would have changed their ability to trophy. No one cares if a game was thrown for SallySue in 48th place.