The question is asking for clarification on what constitutes a mental model. These whistles are not just instinctual but associated with another animal or object. I get that you're arguing decisionmaking here, and very little decisionmaking is associated with whistles, but the "model" seems to be a bit more than that. It is also unclear what constitutes a deeper level of influence on decisions than straightforward behaviorism.
Himiko pointed me towards the false belief test as perhaps a better illustration of the same principle, but I am still skeptical of this kind of "hard" distinction for the reasons listed in the post.
i'll entertain you for one more serious post because i don't think you're necessarily trolling me yet.
1. you're anthropomorphizing the pigeon - you're framing its actions from the point of view of a human doing what it did in its position. there is no reasonable argument to be made that the pigeon was "trolling" the cat. there has never been evidence of a pigeon being able to conceptualize that idea.
2. i will grant that it did not do the instinctive thing at first. but everything after it landed on the other side of the cat fits well within a standard deviation of conditioned stimulus/response behavior
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what i meant by 'raw' btw, is that there is no instinct in what that pigeon did, it was just intelligence. there are no special modes of reaction between species, it's all intelligence
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that pigeon is literally a genius and trolled that cat hard
raw intelligence would have the pigeon flying away because that would be the decision that leads to the highest chance of survival.
even if you're trying to make the argument that this behavior demonstrates higher intelligence in pigeons, law of small numbers makes your stance weaker because in these conditions far more pigeons than not would have just flown away.
re: bsing on wanting to eat animals or be special - what? - i stated scientific consensus and made a point to avoid subjectivity in my posts
world-building suffices. the rest of it is just people bulshtting around their wanting to eat animals, or wanting to be special, like you called cody on
