Cody - "most mentalization behavior that we observe in non-human species is attributed to behavior-reading which requires less mental complexity to achieve. for any given situation, a subject that uses the latter (behavior-reading) predicts what other agents do based on patterns and observed data."
This is very true. People usually use this evidence to back up their assumptions about an animals mental capacities and use it to justify anthropomorphising them.
This is also used by law enforcment(by accident perhaps) to get confessions out of innocent mentally ill people whom might lack the understanding of what they are saying or even why they are saying it.
A famous case here in Sweden is about a mentally ill person(Thomas Quick) whom got convicted based soley on his confessions which werent exactly forced per se, but what he said since he got "treats" (medication/compliments) if he did the "right thing" (which was to explain how the murder happend on the crimescene even though he had never been there before) by following the subtle "instructions" of his handler and the police. Even the series "How to make a Murderer" got bits of this in it.
why am i being threatened with a vio for proposing love
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dude there's a video of whales teaming up to knock a seal off a chunk of ice by creating waves. that's extraordinary tool use, comparable to anything we might do. our higher level thinking is down to processing power, nothing totally apart. this 'behaviour reading' deal is meaningless. and then there might be literally zero difference between our innate intelligence and that of whales/dolphins, just our intelligence has greater outlet
of course it does; the difference is that in the lack of training data it becomes far less reliable
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that behaviour reading gets insanely complex, to the point it is hardly differentiable from anything we do. some of animals conceptions of other animals and just the mechanics of the world are nothing short of profound
you just described exactly what i was talking about with behavior reading. the dolphins learn each others' whistles through experience and apply that to their decision making processes.
deletedover 8 years
that is a half-way interesting point of view lol
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It's much harder to train a man to sit where he belongs, it takes entire systems of government, police, military, schools.
I'm assuming Lilin is referring to Diogenes who made fun of Plato when he gave Socrates' definition of man as a featherless biped by plucking a chicken and bringing it into the academy and going "Behold, I have brought you a man."
