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Is faking afk allowed?

Sinek8
over 8 years

A few reports I created ended up with no vio (like this https://epicmafia.com/report/187240) so I believe I dont know how this ISP vios work.

I wonder if faking afk is an isp vio or not.

I wonder if that depends on your side (town-maf-3rd party).

I wonder if thats an acceptable strat (for example, when everyone claims to clear, you can fake afk and not claim so town does not get the way of play they want).

I wonder if its ok to wait until kicks and blitz after faking afk.

Lastly I wonder if the time period you fake afk is important in possible faking afk vios.

I think we should clarify the rules about faking afk and I think it should not be allowed as a tool to blitz. (I also think it must not be allowed to fake afk in day for few minutes because i bekieve it is against the spirit and basics of mafia game but its not like we will be able to catch it.)

Zhuorb
over 8 years
You haven't had a laugh when someone seems to be afk all day and looks like they're going to veg but then silent hammer when there are 15 seconds before kicks?
Betrayal
over 8 years

Zhuorb says

fake afk only if you want to get a few laughs out of it, if you are doing it to win a competitive game you're a bad player


Who fakes afk in order to 'get laughs'? What sub-class of trolling is this because I never heard of it. Zhuorb you have a very distorted sense of humor.
vilden
over 8 years
there are ways to 'fake' things that are sorta cheesy without having to resort to afker-gay-status in order to clear urself as town/maf

what i mean is lines where you fake not knowing the setup, such as "oh this setup has a hooker i thought i was playing fp"

this is fine and it should also clear u the same way faking afk would
Zhuorb
over 8 years
fake afk only if you want to get a few laughs out of it, if you are doing it to win a competitive game you're a bad player
vilden
over 8 years
if you fake afk you should goto that thread ppl go to for mentors and get one, even a bad one. in terms of sportsmanship and cheese level tactics, faking afk is the gayest thing ever

i wouldnt even report you but id make you feel shamed for doing it
Sinek8
over 8 years

Minecraftfangirlftw says


Sinek8 says


Dorzel says

Sinek being salty :3


Dude mandevian keeps saying it was 2 minutes, while it was 9. Even though I fixed him before. He is saying afk is not fake, while the player said he did fake it. Mandevian keeps saying it even though I fixed him about this too. He ends the sentence with "he wasnt even mafia". You know and he knows vios does not care what side you are on. Aaaand he calls me dumbass after all.

I wasnt being salty, I belive he must be drunk/high or its not him (account stolen) to say those.


just blame dorzel for everything you will get far in life :P


Dorzel is prob mandevian's abc alt.
Nicol
over 8 years

Sinek8 says


Dorzel says

Sinek being salty :3


Dude mandevian keeps saying it was 2 minutes, while it was 9. Even though I fixed him before. He is saying afk is not fake, while the player said he did fake it. Mandevian keeps saying it even though I fixed him about this too. He ends the sentence with "he wasnt even mafia". You know and he knows vios does not care what side you are on. Aaaand he calls me dumbass after all.

I wasnt being salty, I belive he must be drunk/high or its not him (account stolen) to say those.


just blame dorzel for everything you will get far in life :P
Sinek8
over 8 years

Dorzel says

Sinek being salty :3


Dude mandevian keeps saying it was 2 minutes, while it was 9. Even though I fixed him before. He is saying afk is not fake, while the player said he did fake it. Mandevian keeps saying it even though I fixed him about this too. He ends the sentence with "he wasnt even mafia". You know and he knows vios does not care what side you are on. Aaaand he calls me dumbass after all.

I wasnt being salty, I belive he must be drunk/high or its not him (account stolen) to say those.
Dorzel
over 8 years
Sinek being salty :3
Sinek8
over 8 years

Cody says


I chose to go with the no violation route because I believe that his participation in the game as a whole was sufficient.


Cody I believe faking afk to blitz should be a different violation than the original ISP. It should not be allowed. It's vio should not depend if you participated in previous days before the day you choose to fake afk.
What you wrote sounds to me like "we did not give him HC vio because he did not GT".
I believe not participating the game enough and missing claims is a kind of ISP vio, and faking afk to blitz is another kind of ISP vio. They should not affect each other.

Please read the final day of the game you no vio'd. 9 minutes of pinging him. No fun. No scumhunting. Nonsense. No mafia game. I think it should not be allowed.
Sinek8
over 8 years

mandevian says

That wasnt fake dumbass.
And it wasn't even enough afk. I often don't talk for 2 or 3 minutes. Because I'm just observing and thinking. You are never supposed to assume that player will veg. You can try and manipulate people by saying that someone will veg. But you yourself should always be prepared for either case. And he wasn't even mafia.


Dude are you high or is your account stolen or sth?
Cody
over 8 years
And yes, I am aware that someone is going to point out that there's a difference between re-reading for 3-4 minutes and being gone for 9 minutes. That's why this case was borderline.

Adding a note to the original report.
Cody
over 8 years
Given that there were 9 minutes between his last message at the beginning of the day and his messages at the end of the day and the pings he received in the middle of the day, this is certainly a borderline case.

I chose to go with the no violation route because I believe that his participation in the game as a whole was sufficient. A short period of being or faking AFK is often indistinguishable from genuine re-reading; I don't want to set the precedent that someone can get reported and given a violation for re-reading the game.
mandevian
over 8 years
And he wasn't even mafia.
mandevian
over 8 years
And it wasn't even enough afk. I often don't talk for 2 or 3 minutes. Because I'm just observing and thinking. You are never supposed to assume that player will veg. You can try and manipulate people by saying that someone will veg. But you yourself should always be prepared for either case.
mandevian
over 8 years
That wasnt fake dumbass.
Betrayal
over 8 years

Sinek8 says

By the way in practise Cody ruled its Ok to fake afk to blitz: https://epicmafia.com/report/187240


Then it's official. According the 'Cody vs Sinek8 Act of 2016', it is officially okay for mafia to fake AFK and blitz.
Sinek8
over 8 years
By the way in practise Cody ruled its Ok to fake afk to blitz: https://epicmafia.com/report/187240
Betrayal
over 8 years

caroline says

It was answering the question if it's allowed I mean if you're doing it for a minute ok whatever but the whole day on purpose is ISP


But in the report that Sinek filed on the other user. The user was not given ISP because he was gone for one day but participated in the 2 other days. Is the user Sinek reported breaking the rules, caroline? Should the report be vetoed and the game refunded?
deletedover 8 years
It was answering the question if it's allowed I mean if you're doing it for a minute ok whatever but the whole day on purpose is ISP
Betrayal
over 8 years

caroline says

If you're there and not talking on purpose that is ISP lol


Not true, that implies that you have to talk non-stop and you can't go back and reread prior days and or stay silent. That implies that if you aren't constantly talking while in the game, you are ISPing. To what duration of silence constitutes ISP caroline?
Betrayal
over 8 years

caroline says

You can't fake afk I didn't read anything else


Yes you can fake AFK. People fake AFK every day and get away with it.
Betrayal
over 8 years

Sinek8 says


Betrayal says


Sinek8 says

@betreyal
In this game me and my maf partner blitzed a nl on lylo by making townheads split votes. This is ok. This is mafia game. This is the blitz with thrill.

Faking afk is just a cheap way of ruining a game.

https://epicmafia.com/game/5212560/review


Not true. Faking AFK doesn't clear you. Sometimes, townies FOS people who fake AFK and as a result they get lynched because town thinks that they are mafia. Faking AFK doesn't always work. It's a catch-22, a 50-50 risk on the mafia's behalf.


I said ruining game. I did not say it clears you. It does not.


Faking AFK does not ruin the game. Rather, it adds more flare and suspense to the game.
deletedover 8 years
If you're there and not talking on purpose that is ISP lol
deletedover 8 years
You can't fake afk I didn't read anything else