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over 8 years

Transgendered persons in sports

http://www.onenewsnow.com/sports/2016/06/09/transgender-athlete-unable-to-outrun-controversy

I'm too lazy to make a tldr but I wanna stir up some drama while I waste 3 hours before I go clubbing,

The article is just about a person born as a man now identifying as a female and (maybe) went through a sex change.. But now they race with females

Thoughts, friends?

The Young Turks (progressive) opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iux8QPULREY

Establishment media and probable hillary clinton supporter: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/08/transgender-nattaphon-wangyot-alaska-track/

Should they allow trans persons to have an advantage?
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Nah fam
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You're a waste man
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Ya lol
over 8 years
Honestly if you wanna be a pro athlete you should compete as your biological gender, its really the only way for it to be fair.
over 8 years
someone OT this lol

https://epicmafia.com/report/185418

he was obv joking
over 8 years

ISamEI says

So, is the main opinion that female to male is fine to participate against biological males, but male to female participating in sports against biological females is more controversial?

If I recall correctly, the Olympic Committee currently accepts female to male transgender athletes to play in woman's sports, whereas it requires male to female athletes to undergo hormone therapy first.


female > male you're putting yourself at a disadvantage on average, so go for it.

male > female nah .
over 8 years
So, is the main opinion that female to male is fine to participate against biological males, but male to female participating in sports against biological females is more controversial?

If I recall correctly, the Olympic Committee currently accepts female to male transgender athletes to play in woman's sports, whereas it requires male to female athletes to undergo hormone therapy first.
over 8 years
welp, since you guys decided to not entertain me while i now wait for my ride, i'll link you some of the hilariously bigoted comments on the first link of the OP that I'm just coming across now
over 8 years
I mean she's young enough to still be developing and to be taking the hormones and suppressions at this age would actually mark down her from a male.



communication degrees tho
over 8 years
unless there was very strong evidence that disproved all possible advantages of being a transgender female then it's probably most fair to treat the issue based on biological sex, if not just to err on the side of caution as far as competitive fairness goes. i don't know what it's like to be a transgender athlete but is it cruel to be told to compete based on your biological sex rather than your gender?
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ArieI says

well i mean im sure the girls are training too. i think the point they're making is that with HRT you gain/lose muscle mass due to changes in testosterone levels.


well yeah, girls train and workout too..

my point is a male body builder will be consistently lifting more than a female just based off biology and what not, so if they have been training as a male to be a track star for the past 10 years they will have a significant advantage over the female runners (on avaerage) so allowing this would be insane.


and making sporting events co-op would be anti productive because women would lose more often than not to the male counterparts and they would not get as much recognition anymore

unless you're serena williams for example she could prob kick any mans a$$ at tennis
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Yeah but she didn't even win, so it's like Dash in the Incredibles when he uses his super speed for like .01 seconds and doesn't win the race but still comes in 2nd
over 8 years
we should have everyone play together
over 8 years
i dunno bout real sports but when it comes to like chess, people should play to their identified gender
over 8 years
this is a really complicated issue bc im sure it depends how long you've been taking hormones, but how do you make rules about that? "If you've been taking hormones for x amount of time you can compete with the women." but how do you prove that you've been taking them consistently that long? it seems weird to have to police that but i don't know how else you would regulate it to make sure no one had an unfair advantage.

idk it really just comes down to the question of how much does HRT really do
over 8 years
well i mean im sure the girls are training too. i think the point they're making is that with HRT you gain/lose muscle mass due to changes in testosterone levels.
over 8 years

Hibiki says

"Wangyot, who move from Thailand to Haines in 2014, told the Chilkat Valley News that she doesn’t have a competitive advantage over other girls because she takes female hormones and other drugs to suppress her body’s testosterone"

if this science is definitely true and real science then there's really no contest


even if that is the case, she would have been training as a male prior to the change.

now i ain't no scientist but i'm sure that if you train your body for x amount of years, and your body grows. simply changing your gender will not have a sudden drastic affect, and a lot of the work she did as a male will still, regardless of her testosterone levels now give her a great advantage

idk if that made sense but in my head it did lol
over 8 years
Cenk Uygur really infuriates me and I don't know why.
over 8 years
"Wangyot, who move from Thailand to Haines in 2014, told the Chilkat Valley News that she doesn’t have a competitive advantage over other girls because she takes female hormones and other drugs to suppress her body’s testosterone"

if this science is definitely true and real science then there's really no contest
over 8 years

Sincerely says


caroline says

Also this thread isn't dramatic and why does it matter if a transgender woman is playing sports Devante u suck


i didn't read the article yet but as devante pointed out already, the whole reason for the division between sexes in sports is a biological difference that has nothing to do with whether they're born thinking they're the opposite sex. It has to do with testosterone, doesn't it? If she went through a sex change then idk if it'd be ok because idk what it encompasses but there's certainly an argument for not letting her compete in women's races

on second thought let me just read the article and make my low-quality shitposts afterwards


don't bother, i didn't read the article lol i did watch the video in the op though these guys tend to present news unbiasedly before entering their biased opinions on the matter, usually i agree with them but in this case i think the trans person should not be allowed to race with women based off the obvious advantage they have, regardless of the "testosterone removal therapy bs that was presented"
over 8 years
op updated with links for more in dept information on the situation,


this is actually a lot more debatable than the washroom thing so it's weird u guys got trolled by that sh*tty topic and can't have actual logical discussions about this one.

maybe your tumblr views have just been bs all along lol
over 8 years
Hey, John. Nice to encounter you again via Epicmafia.
over 8 years
i like that the article just focuses on a d-bag who whines about being called a bigot. though i'm also on the fence because i mean perhaps gender shouldn't trump biological sex on every issue, and the whole thing is regarding biological advantages of sex so.
over 8 years
well my browser won't let me go to the website. that's hilarious.

maybe she should be allowed to race with women because imagine forcing her to race with men, ew. Kinda depends on a lot of specific variables I don't know or care to look up right now.
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caroline says

Also this thread isn't dramatic and why does it matter if a transgender woman is playing sports Devante u suck


i didn't read the article yet but as devante pointed out already, the whole reason for the division between sexes in sports is a biological difference that has nothing to do with whether they're born thinking they're the opposite sex. It has to do with testosterone, doesn't it? If she went through a sex change then idk if it'd be ok because idk what it encompasses but there's certainly an argument for not letting her compete in women's races

on second thought let me just read the article and make my low-quality shitposts afterwards
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posting to help your thread blow up
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Also this thread isn't dramatic and why does it matter if a transgender woman is playing sports Devante u suck
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Devante says

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Come to the real Nashville ?!?!?