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over 8 years

Transgendered persons in sports

http://www.onenewsnow.com/sports/2016/06/09/transgender-athlete-unable-to-outrun-controversy

I'm too lazy to make a tldr but I wanna stir up some drama while I waste 3 hours before I go clubbing,

The article is just about a person born as a man now identifying as a female and (maybe) went through a sex change.. But now they race with females

Thoughts, friends?

The Young Turks (progressive) opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iux8QPULREY

Establishment media and probable hillary clinton supporter: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/08/transgender-nattaphon-wangyot-alaska-track/

Should they allow trans persons to have an advantage?
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Nah fam
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You're a waste man
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Ya lol
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groundhogday says

i'd think that this is a concession transgender people would be willing to make


it's almost as if transgender people aren't a hivemind and different trans people have different opinions.
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i'd think that this is a concession transgender people would be willing to make
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lets just make it where all men and women compete in the same events against each other battle royale style
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clearly what we need is sports leagues for just transgender people.

yay segregation.
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HRT may be a lifelong process, but most people don't start it early enough to prevent the development of secondary sex characteristics and muscle structure.

For FtM: Part of the reason that you don't let men who take testosterone compete is because that would give them excess testosterone and a competitive advantage. That competitive advantage seems to diminish when you grew up female and are transitioning to male.

For MtF: The muscle structure of a man is biologically different from that of a woman. It's not a tricky line, it's an unfair line. However, it's one that needs to be drawn. Any woman who was caught taking testosterone supplements would be banned from competing in women's sports. Somehow all that excess muscle structure is overlooked when a man is transitioning because then it's politically incorrect. Unfortunately, HRT is a very gradual and slow change. It can take years before you even begin to see the kinds of changes required to level the playing field. The fact is they were born to a gender that in some sports, has a biological advantage. To ignore that for any reason is a disservice to all the women who train to compete at the higher levels fairly.
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Perish says


xJuicy says

who cares tho


trans people who have careers in sports care, probably.


can't have your cake and eat it too
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Arcbell says

Oddly enough, sports isn't about equality. It's about inequality. One person being better at something than another because they were born with better genetics for that task.


Sure genetics play a role, but not only.
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Oddly enough, sports isn't about equality. It's about inequality. One person being better at something than another because they were born with better genetics for that task.
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This is why I hate exercise
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Perish says


xJuicy says

who cares tho


trans people who have careers in sports care, probably.


who dat
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xJuicy says

who cares tho


trans people who have careers in sports care, probably.
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who cares tho
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as part of transition, many trans individuals go through a lifelong process called Hormone Replacement Therapy in which they take medications which block the production of their sex hormones (testosterone for people born male, estrogen for people born female) and then start regularly taking the other hormone either by pill, patch, or injection.

for FtM (female to male) individuals, most find this promotes muscle growth. it's essentially just taking steroids. for MtF (male to female) people, most find that significant muscle mass actually deteriorates and they end up being physically weaker.

does this put FtM and MtF individuals on par with cis people of their gender identity? probably not fully, but they're definitely not on par with their biological sex either.

you wouldn't allow women regularly taking steroids to compete in women's sports, would you? because that's FtM people competing in women's sports would essentially be. but with the flip side, MtF, we grapple with where exactly to draw the line.

so yeah, tricky issue.
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i...i think they should let her stay in...but...ahdhkdldkdne
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this is a tricky issue without a clear answer
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Obviously not talking about you Edork. God. You're so sensitive. ~
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Togepi says


Calvin says


Devante says

Stop mod negging posts because it triggers you, you idiot.


for real, if you can't handle someone clearly joking about something on an internet mafia website, perhaps modding isn't for you.


lol I mean you've seen the current mod team though. Don't be silly.


STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT SLURS AND INSULTS EXCITES ME
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Calvin says


Devante says

Stop mod negging posts because it triggers you, you idiot.


for real, if you can't handle someone clearly joking about something on an internet mafia website, perhaps modding isn't for you.


lol I mean you've seen the current mod team though. Don't be silly.
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Calvin says


Devante says

Stop mod negging posts because it triggers you, you idiot.


for real, if you can't handle someone clearly joking about something on an internet mafia website, perhaps modding isn't for you.


I love your irony in this post, 10/10
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mod negged. get rekt
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also please make an attempt to not abuse your mod negs
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Devante says

Stop mod negging posts because it triggers you, you idiot.


for real, if you can't handle someone clearly joking about something on an internet mafia website, perhaps modding isn't for you.
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Devante says

Stop mod negging posts because it triggers you, you idiot.


+1'd
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shes the only fighter that cuts weight by chopping off her