Epicmafia

Question RE: Ethereal

over 8 years

The question posed in this thread is not necessarily one of the moderation team, the site owner lucidrains/Phillip Wang, or other moderators/admins on the moderation team of this website.

People are calling for Ethereal's head because they were recently promoted from role moderator to moderator. The people calling for Ethereal to be demodded are generally viewing and accusing Ethereal as a predator.

My question is, if you guys care so much about Ethereal being a potential predator, should you not be arguing that Ethereal should be site banned? (Personally, I don't think Ethereal should be site banned. She has done her time for being banned and is currently a very big help for the moderators and cheating investigation team, in my opinion.) Your argument seems to not want to rid the website of possible predators, but to just make sure they don't become moderators. It doesn't really make much sense to me.

And even if Ethereal is demodded, guess what? She's still going to help with Cheating cases and finding banned users... nothing is going to change (except that she won't be able to do reports). Is that really going to be a sigh of relief for all of you?

So if Ethereal is demodded, what difference is it to you people if she's still allowed to be on the website...?

EDIT:

I am in favour of demodding Ethereal to please the community fwiw (I was before I even made this thread), but if we do that I don't really get why they are even allowed to be on the site anyways. I'm seeing these arguments I just don't agree with them; potential is potential at the end of the day, and I believe Ethereal should be allowed to stay on the site

Giga13

over 8 years

Explanation says

Giga13 says

He doesn't have to be a mod to be able to do either of those things actually. (see: Arcbell)

that's where you're wrong. petri doesn't know any coding/hijacking like arcbell does so petri being a mod does allow him to have access to more info like (email domain). also arcbell doesn't have evidence of paedophilia against him.

I know Arcbell doesn't I meant in regards to screwing with rounds or getting email domains etc

Hibiki

over 8 years

hey tay pls explain why u name dropped us despite the fact that neither of us defended her. who are you parroting your information from?

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BearGuru says

Explanation says

BearGuru says

Role mods cannot see email domains nor do they have enough access to do any damage.

im fine with HER being a role mod, she's a mod right now tho isn't SHE?

yes but you wanted her a regular user. Just wanted to clear up possible misconceptions

nobody was really complaining when she was a role mod. role mods are basically normal users to me, don't take that as an offence Mr. Role Mod. but yeah the long post i made was on why she shouldn't be an actual site mod

leo

over 8 years

edark you absolutely knew she was a pedophile, saw objections, but didn't bother to tell anyone else. you have accusing me of wanting her demodded when i said nothing of the sort.

if any actual sane mod would like to answer my questions, i'd be happy to reply.

Edark

over 8 years

leo says

Edark says

leo says

IIRC by eedark, the mod team WAS aware that preti is a pedophile and had no objections. or, if they were, it was kept private. if your guys decision means so little, why didn't you say so when people were asking why preti and arcbell were modded?

Not everyone was aware. For example me.

Edark says

leo says

not what im saying. what im concerned about is that she has been elected a mod with no worries whatsoever from the mod team.

You wouldnt know, but you're very wrong.

yeah bs you didn't know.

Im literally saying mods are concerned now that is has been brought up you idiot, even though not everyone is openly discussing it.

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apollo says

apollo says

can't believe connor is ditching his good friend sammie in her time of need

this is kind of friend connor is everyone, i suggest you do NOT be friends with him.

you've just described 99.9% of the epicmafia community and basically every single person sh*t posting in these threads lol

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Giga13 says

im going to wait for her to actually molest a child before i do anything about it, i think we should let her be a mod

Hibiki

over 8 years

giga u misread "ppl seeking her out" for "her seeking ppl out"

BearGuru

over 8 years

Explanation says

BearGuru says

Role mods cannot see email domains nor do they have enough access to do any damage.

im fine with HER being a role mod, she's a mod right now tho isn't SHE?

yes but you wanted her a regular user. Just wanted to clear up possible misconceptions

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Giga13 says

apollo says

Giga13 says

apollo says

no people aren't going to actively seek her out if she's not featured on the moderator page

She can seek out people??? lol???

i don't get what your point is, any human being is freely capable of doing whatever they want

thanks for proving my point

apollo says

but when you actually endorse someone who's doing things like that and put people in a position where they have to seek this person out, you're putting those people in danger and that's entire point of having her demodded.

If she was still looking to exploit/abuse young members of the website, she would have done it by now and it wouldn't matter if she had a gold star or not; her being not site banned has the same effect

are you waiting for her to do it

deletedover 8 years

BearGuru says

Role mods cannot see email domains nor do they have enough access to do any damage.

im fine with HER being a role mod, she's a mod right now tho isn't SHE?

leo

over 8 years

Edark says

leo says

IIRC by eedark, the mod team WAS aware that preti is a pedophile and had no objections. or, if they were, it was kept private. if your guys decision means so little, why didn't you say so when people were asking why preti and arcbell were modded?

Not everyone was aware. For example me.

Edark says

leo says

not what im saying. what im concerned about is that she has been elected a mod with no worries whatsoever from the mod team.

You wouldnt know, but you're very wrong.

yeah bs you didn't know.

Giga13

over 8 years

apollo says

Giga13 says

apollo says

no people aren't going to actively seek her out if she's not featured on the moderator page

She can seek out people??? lol???

i don't get what your point is, any human being is freely capable of doing whatever they want

thanks for proving my point

apollo says

but when you actually endorse someone who's doing things like that and put people in a position where they have to seek this person out, you're putting those people in danger and that's entire point of having her demodded.

If she was still looking to exploit/abuse young members of the website, she would have done it by now and it wouldn't matter if she had a gold star or not; her being not site banned has the same effect

Hibiki

over 8 years

apollo says

apollo says

can't believe connor is ditching his good friend sammie in her time of need

this is kind of friend connor is everyone, i suggest you do NOT be friends with him.

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apollo says

can't believe connor is ditching his good friend sammie in her time of need

this is kind of friend connor is everyone, i suggest you do NOT be friends with him.

Orion

over 8 years

I didn't know they were petri i mean the site hasnt banned predators in the past also so and for example when meetterry brought accusations (back by common knowledge of events that had happened) he was threatened with a harassment vio

I fully support a site ban of ppl who use em to take advantage of being able to communicate with minors so easily.

BearGuru

over 8 years

Explanation says

To answer "what can petri do as a mod that he can't do as a normal user" and to anyone who thinks petri is "reformed"

The people protecting petri here are either his friends (dave, kerry, etc.) or another mod (mods usually protect each other)
or a post-2011 player (probably a petri alt themself)

Here's 2 good reasons why Petri should be demodded but can be a regular user on the site:

1) He's just going to act like he's reformed and then one day he'll figure out all the hidden mod links and destroy the site.
There's precedent on this when he was indexcards' account, he was modding like a normal mod did and then one day he spammed the site with p*rn and deleted a bunch of threads.
Just one example of what petri as a mod can do - he can reset the round on the last day or DQ a user on the last day to screw users out of trophies.

2) The whole "paedophilia" - Mods can see more than just a normal user. They can see email domains for instance.
Some of the young users on this site have used their school email domain to register an account. This means petri now has access to this and can locate certain young users.

My guess is petri won't do anything drastic for now and will play it calm until a few months later or until he gets promoted
to admin, then he'll start to destroy the site.

reposting and just let it be known i mean "she" in place of "he" but i cant be bothered to change it all

Role mods cannot see email domains nor do they have enough access to do any damage.

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can't believe connor is ditching his good friend sammie in her time of need

Matt12

over 8 years

Hibiki says

i definitely do not consider sammie a friend

mhm

Edark

over 8 years

leo says

IIRC by eedark, the mod team WAS aware that preti is a pedophile and had no objections. or, if they were, it was kept private. if your guys decision means so little, why didn't you say so when people were asking why preti and arcbell were modded?

Not everyone was aware. For example me.

Hibiki

over 8 years

i definitely do not consider sammie a friend

Hibiki

over 8 years

pls quote either of us defending sammie lol

deletedover 8 years

To answer "what can petri do as a mod that he can't do as a normal user" and to anyone who thinks petri is "reformed"

The people protecting petri here are either his friends (dave, kerry, etc.) or another mod (mods usually protect each other)
or a post-2011 player (probably a petri alt themself)

Here's 2 good reasons why Petri should be demodded but can be a regular user on the site:

1) He's just going to act like he's reformed and then one day he'll figure out all the hidden mod links and destroy the site.
There's precedent on this when he was indexcards' account, he was modding like a normal mod did and then one day he spammed the site with p*rn and deleted a bunch of threads.
Just one example of what petri as a mod can do - he can reset the round on the last day or DQ a user on the last day to screw users out of trophies.

2) The whole "paedophilia" - Mods can see more than just a normal user. They can see email domains for instance.
Some of the young users on this site have used their school email domain to register an account. This means petri now has access to this and can locate certain young users.

My guess is petri won't do anything drastic for now and will play it calm until a few months later or until he gets promoted
to admin, then he'll start to destroy the site.

reposting and just let it be known i mean "she" in place of "he" but i cant be bothered to change it all

Matt12

over 8 years

Explanation says

The people protecting petri here are either his friends (dave, kerry, etc.) or another mod (mods usually protect each other)
or a post-2011 player (probably a petri alt themself)

leo

over 8 years

Giga13 says

leo says

for me, it's more of you modded her without asking people who could potentially be victims or uncomfortable with this. you could have eased their worries and this wouldn't have been a problem whatsoever.

the mod team's attitude about this has been dodging and derailing as well, which puts preti in an even worse light.

This is something to talk to the admin about, not a moderator

if you were just going to dodge my concern as well you shouldn't have made the thread. anyway.

IIRC by eedark, the mod team WAS aware that preti is a pedophile and had no objections. or, if they were, it was kept private. if your guys decision means so little, why didn't you say so when people were asking why preti and arcbell were modded?