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The Declaration of ChaoticDoom

over 8 years

Listen, users of Sandbox. I think we can all agree that the late developments concerning the ownership of Sandbox have been very, well, stupid. The owner keeps changing every few days. People get banned. People get unbanned.

This isn’t working. Nobody has any idea about what’s going on. Aside of Lucid. Lucid’s laughing in the driver’s seat of his uber, eating away a McDonald’s Chili Chicken as he laughs at us. He laughs at Kenny, Golbolco, Platypops, Sishen, gardenfulloflies, hima.

And why? Because we need to get a grip. Sandbox needs a leader – ONE leader, a leader to stay. With a selection of mods, elected by Sandbox, and approved by the leader. We need to work together to form a strong sandbox, one sandbox, and not just a few groups of trolls and circlejerkers who may or may not actually play the mafia game. Sandbox has the potential to be a lobby full of fun, really.

Like this, however, that’s impossible. Most if not all of the leaders we’ve gotten are all inept or biased in some way. Every owner came with their respective “circlejerk”, so to say. Some of the owners have been just fine, honestly. Others modded Sishen. But that’s a subject for another day.

The Sandbox Owner should be a person without circlejerk. The Sandbox Owner should be someone who truly acts on what is righteous, and treats everyone the same. Who gives everyone the same chances, as long as they follow the rules. For example, garden’s original plan of asking for moderator applications, then putting those as moderators in rotation, and when everything is done, select the suitable moderators for the lobby. Some claim that we do not need moderators – but what’s the negative to having more damage control? In the case of mod abuse, said mod should be instantly modded and banned, no exceptions, and the abuse should be reverted. This doesn’t sound weird, right? This should be self-explanatory. There is absolutely no negative in modding the proper users.

And what about the owner? I think the owner is fine right now – gardenfulloflies is a good Sandbox Owner. So were Kenny, Platypops, and Golbolco, sure. But things happened, and now gardenfulloflies is owner of the Sandbox Lobby. Too bad that even now, people still complain about cases of bias, or unjustified bans.

In the case of another new owner, it might be better to start off with a clean sheet. Someone who hasn’t been owner, perhaps not even moderator, of the Sandbox Lobby before.

I, ChaoticDoom, would like to assume the position, if necessary. Please; I am not trying to dethrone gardenfulloflies. This is a declaration, focused on the essentials of the ownership of the Sandbox Lobby. And gardenfulloflies is a good owner. But people are mad, people are complaining. The Sandbox Owner has changed three times only recently. And if this happens for a fourth time, I want to have made myself known.

I would not be a biased owner. I am not part of any “circlejerk” in the lobby. Everyone would be treated equally under my ownership. Rules are rules, no exceptions for “best buddies”. I have been a moderator at several forums in the past; I know how to properly moderate. I am very active on the website, and a fairly well-known user. Next to that, I would take applications, and install the moderators that I deem suitable. The users of the Sandbox Lobby could elect moderators, and I would listen; for a moderator is for the people, and not for the owner. As is the owner; the owner should not be decided by Lucid in the spur of the moment, but by the Sandbox Lobby as community.

If the people find my vision of Sandbox to truly be the worst thing that ever happened to the site, I would stand down as owner. I am not trying to move myself into a power position because I crave power. I am not trying to take Sandbox as my own, to everything up. I simply wish for sandbox to be a place where we can all have fun.

This has been my plea. I expect most of you will ignore this, or ask for a “TL;DR”. But I want to make this clear; Sandbox is in need of a good owner, who only bans when justified. I believe gardenfulloflies is this owner; but if Sandbox disagrees, know that I have what it takes. Thank you for reading all of this. To a great Sandbox, Chaotic out!

TL;DR, gardenfulloflies is a good owner. If people keep about it, I would be a good choice as successor..

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butterpototo says


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Christopherzilla says

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over 8 years
thanks yall
over 8 years
I agree with your sentiment. I want a sandbox owner (past, current, or future) who is interested in GAME PLAY and the quality of GAME PLAY. An ideal leader is somebody who has minimal friends on the site and who simply wants to steer game play in the right direction.
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gardenfulloflies says


Golbolco says


Christopherzilla says

happy birthday







over 8 years

Golbolco says


Christopherzilla says

happy birthday




over 8 years

Christopherzilla says

happy birthday

over 8 years
happy birthday
over 8 years
Tbh I'm gonna take over sandbox. Pikachu follows pikachu.
over 8 years

ISamEI says

This is how the French Revolution started guys.

I'm in.


wait what no
over 8 years
This is how the French Revolution started guys.

I'm in.
over 8 years

DrPeePee says

It seems chris has joined the delete your comment to bump the thread chain as well


thanks for the bump
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It seems chris has joined the delete your comment to bump the thread chain as well
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Chaotic's gonna keep bumping this then deleting his comments forever isn't he
over 8 years
I didn't read it but Chaotic is a pretty cool person.
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Let us dispel this fiction that Lucid doesn't know what he's doing. Lucid knows exactly what he's doing. It's a systematic plot to make sandbox like the rest of epicmafia. That's why he de modded Kenny, de modded Golbolco, de modded hima, de modded platypops. Don't let lucid take away the future from our children, let us give them what they deserve: the single greatest lobby in the history of Epicmafia.
over 8 years
I think your system sounds like a sound one. It's one I wouldn't mind. I'd root for you, should Gardenbox fall. I've also considered being a mod, but was always too busy or scared to fill out an app. XP
over 8 years
i would make a better mod than you. i don't even know the EM rules, so I would judge and appoint mods based on character alone. also the banner would be cool because graphic design is my passion
over 8 years
garden best host.
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i agree, overthrow garden altogether
over 8 years
screw these nerds Associate 4 Sandbox dictator, under my rule we'll finally ban Lucid from EpicMafia dot com
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Platypops says


DrPeePee says


Platypops says

So am i a good owner or a s*** one for modding sishen?

If you're going to insult me at least be consistent


Well you were owner twice so he gave you an opinion based on both times


alright, fair enough


On the record platy I fully support you, and I think you were an extremely good owner, you just came in at a bad time and had no time to make any change. People are gonna remember you for leaving the first time and then having your lobby taken away the second time
over 8 years

DrPeePee says


Platypops says

So am i a good owner or a s*** one for modding sishen?

If you're going to insult me at least be consistent


Well you were owner twice so he gave you an opinion based on both times


alright, fair enough
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sorry, that was mean. CD for lobby owner.
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in the time it took you to type this up you could have gotten laid, finished your physics hw and gone to the gym.
over 8 years

GuiltyTownie says

gardenbox is here to stay


that would be for the best.