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Competitive's current state

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In this thread, I'll describe the whole Main Lobby Competitive with only one game.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4585896/review (No need to review, I'll talk about it here)

Carbon14 Dawnstart:

My Role is Cop.

Day One: Town thought it was a good idea to NL 2 days in a row instead of using the Mislynch.

Day Two: Mafia claimed Tracker with me (Cop) visiting the Dead, so I was forced to out my role as Cop, also forcing Tracker to Counter Claim, so both power roles are out Day two.

Day Three: Tracker is killed, since the setup is the godfather setup, so Tracker is the optimal PR to kill...

So, Day three had: Cop, Godfather, 2 Villagers and a Confirmed godfather.

I told the town that the most optimal thing to do today is to not lynch the Confirmed godfather, and instead lynching outside the confirmed mafia today because we had a clear (Me), because if we just voted the Confirmed Mafia the clear will die and the game will be decided in a 3 Way no clear.

But town refused, even when I explained my logic, and they lynched the Confirmed Mafia.

Day Four: A Villager was lynching another Villager because I had an inno on a Godfather, and after the game ended he said that I gamethrew because I said that the godfather was my Village report. And then someone blamed me for the loss and said that the mafia was bad.

Because of this game, I suggest that we make the minimum points to join Competitive higher, something like 50k points, to make the trophies seriously worth something and 100% Legit..

And I'm not even joking by saying 50K points, it doesn't matter if the players who join are going to be way less, but it is better than having a meaningless trophy that is won because some people aren't good enough to play Competitive Mafia, which is why unknown people who do not deserve to trophy, end up winning a trophy even though they didn't do much all round.

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Bringing back comp lobby would solve this
dzanek1143
almost 10 years
NOOB MAFIA NOT NK N3 WITH TRACKER CC YOU CAN LYNCH TRACKER IF NOT THEN KILL TRACKER AFTERWARDS MAKING 4WAY WITH CLEAR IS LIKE 3WAY NO CLEARS YOU SAC'D A TRACKER WHO CANNOT TRACK YOU IF YOU NK
deletedalmost 10 years
there should be no limit bring back comp lobby
Chitose
almost 10 years
It should be 15K-25K
DrakeJr
almost 10 years
a kid that rides a bike with training wheels for 5 months won't be any better at handling a normal bike than the kid who rides a bike with training wheels for 5 days
hedger
almost 10 years

Skillz says


hedger says


Skillz says

Lynching confirmed mafia + Cop dying at night = 3 way no clear, that was what I was trying to say mate, lol.. I was trying to get them to lynch on the day that I was alive, but they refused.


3 way no clear vs 4 way one clear (one confirmed maf)

I'm just saying 3 way no clear is better for town


So what you're saying is...

It is 5 way, we have a confirmed mafia and a clear, and you want to lynch the confirmed mafia instead of the clear leading?


In most cases yes. But it'd depend on who's hammering.and a few other things
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hedger says


Skillz says

Lynching confirmed mafia + Cop dying at night = 3 way no clear, that was what I was trying to say mate, lol.. I was trying to get them to lynch on the day that I was alive, but they refused.


3 way no clear vs 4 way one clear (one confirmed maf)

I'm just saying 3 way no clear is better for town


So what you're saying is...

It is 5 way, we have a confirmed mafia and a clear, and you want to lynch the confirmed mafia instead of the clear leading?
hedger
almost 10 years

Skillz says

Lynching confirmed mafia + Cop dying at night = 3 way no clear, that was what I was trying to say mate, lol.. I was trying to get them to lynch on the day that I was alive, but they refused.


3 way no clear vs 4 way one clear (one confirmed maf)

I'm just saying 3 way no clear is better for town
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Bad post
Hibiki
almost 10 years
haha if you read the OP you discover that skillz is wrong as well
Hibiki
almost 10 years
deletedalmost 10 years
Lynching confirmed mafia + Cop dying at night = 3 way no clear, that was what I was trying to say mate, lol.. I was trying to get them to lynch on the day that I was alive, but they refused.
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hedger says


Skillz says


hedger says

3 way no clears > 4 way 1 clear, js


4 way 1 clear = 4 players

5 way 1 clear = 5 players


ignore the confirmed mafia you nub


Don't ignore the cop that is going to die at night..
hedger
almost 10 years

Skillz says


hedger says

3 way no clears > 4 way 1 clear, js


4 way 1 clear = 4 players

5 way 1 clear = 5 players


ignore the confirmed mafia you nub
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hedger says

3 way no clears > 4 way 1 clear, js


4 way 1 clear = 4 players

5 way 1 clear = 5 players
xDrake
almost 10 years

Togepi says

The solutions that should be thought of are ones to educate new players, not to section them off and forget about them.


So make some suggestions then. You can't force people to learn if they aren't willing. And IMO, what I suggested sets up things so that the people that WANT to play Competitively will have to be willing to learn the setups to be able to win and earn the points necessary to play in Comp Lobby. By then, should have the general knowledge and then some to know how most of the roles and situations work.

It would only be sectioning people off to those that are bad players or only play ranked/sandbox in the first place :doge:
PseudoCerebralSewage
almost 10 years
uhhhh maybe stop being bad dude
hedger
almost 10 years
3 way no clears > 4 way 1 clear, js
Burial
almost 10 years

Togepi says

The solutions that should be thought of are ones to educate new players, not to section them off and forget about them.


so allow mentors in the lobby with them

most other mafia sites do newbie games
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There should also be a tutorial system for first timers, tell them about the basics.

Because we all know that the first 4 unranked games before playing ranked are very useless and the player is going to get reported in the first ranked game they play.
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DrakeJr says

A player who plays 500 games of fp isn't better than a player who plays 50 games of fp


Even through fancy pants is bad, but this isn't true at all. Not even a single bit.
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Froce says

dude skillz are you out of your mind? not 50k points but seriously 10k minimum.

also that game is a horrible example, crucifix was obviously trolling and not taking the game seriously, you can report him for that. but it doesn't reflect the state of competitive players.


You're acting like its the first time that I've played Comp.. That game was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Froce
almost 10 years

Togepi says

The solutions that should be thought of are ones to educate new players, not to section them off and forget about them.


Educating players is the job of the strategy guides that come with a certain setup. If the player is not reading them then he'll wonder why he's not getting better and take a look at it.

If you ever think about splitting lobbies, I can take on the responsibility of making complete and convenient guides on the most popular setups, replacing any unnecessary strategies that exist right now, making the site cleaner.
Togepi
almost 10 years
The solutions that should be thought of are ones to educate new players, not to section them off and forget about them.
Togepi
almost 10 years

DrakeJr says

A player who plays 500 games of fp isn't better than a player who plays 50 games of fp


True.