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Calling it Quits

over 9 years

Alright people of Epicmafia. It's been a long time since I've made a serious macro-thread outlining my thoughts. I've really mellowed out about epicmafia since departing as admin, only to get super mad when talking about setups that I don't like, because nothing makes me more upset than bad setups. Either way, this is my first serious thread of 2015. Remember 2014? Good times. In the words of a recently banned user "Twas a blast."

I haven't been on the site all that much recently, at least not much since Vancy stepped down. Well, at least not in the sense of being involved in the game of policy and shady dealings that goes on behind the scenes. However, one thing I've noticed though is that although the competition still puts up pretty solid numbers, there seems to be a general malaise spread throughout the community. I can't help but feel the site is spiraling downhill. Just looking through the past 10 rounds, over half of them had some sort of mega cheating investigation, trophy winners who got thrown for, or outright cheating. It's kind of shocking that anyone bothers to run anymore when there is such a high volume of cheating, especially when trophies are valued at less than the dollar during the 2008 crash. It just seems kinda silly. There's so much effort that goes into the moderation of gold heart games to keep them legitimate, while there is a ton of effort poured into making them illegitimate as well. All for what, though?

So I really, seriously want to pose this question: Do you think it's time for the competition to stop?

Now before you throw Molotov cocktails at your computer screen, just hear me out. Let's go on a journey together.

Imagine a world on epicmafia without a competition. Mods would last longer since they wouldn't get burned out from long investigations. No one could troll rounds, since there are no rounds to troll. Maybe the comp lobby could see a revival, for those who are into that sort of lobby gentrification. Not to mention, cheaters would have no reason to cheat - there's no "trophy" to be gained from cheating in red hearts, unless you just like upsetting people. Imagine a world where every game of mafia is casual mafia, you can play any setup you want at any time, without having to rely on some douchecanoe to comp something playable, and double point Jan becomes the stage that all mafia players wish to be stars on? This is a world I think we should live in. I would know, I have sources.

I know this is pretty radical, but I have a solution for those of you who still really like comp on the site.

We could replace the competition with chess: https://epicmafia.com/game/4102695?password=46139b0b16d7696468a818ef81ab82a93691f7d5

Honestly, tbh, I'm being honest.
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Free Gallis Hunter
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Kill Comp
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Nuke the forums instead
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bwaaa bwaaa bwaaaa
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thanks for looking out for the little guy
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Don't Kill Comp
over 9 years
1. Re-divide training and comp lobbies, primarily for red heart comp games.
2. If a game is over 12h old and hasn't started yet, terminate it (right now the time limit is 12 months lmao)
3. New requirements for comp lobby are 1500 pts with a 45% winrate in both alignments, 5k pts with 40%, or 10k with any percentage. once earned, cannot be dq'd from lobby
purpose of the winrate in alignments versus pts earned is so that alts can still be farmed up to enough pts easily, but new players have to work and learn more to get access to the lobby.
4. If an account has not played a red or gold heart game in the past x days (30-60?), cannot join the round until 5 red hearts have been played
5. Alternatively, cannot join the round if 10 red/gold heart games have not been played within 30-60 days before the round starts, or something similar
6. Cannot join the round after the end of day 2.
over 9 years
I remember what this site was like before training and pointfarming.
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Renaldo says

how can the site be spiraling downhill when there's chess to be played?

also, I don't know what the site is like without competition. I don't have any sources.

this was all an elaborate ruse to one-up Benjamin250, and also incorporate some Pranay style sentence bolding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKzaXrP1nnw
over 9 years
how can the site be spiraling downhill when there's chess to be played?

also, I don't know what the site is like without competition. I don't have any sources.

this was all an elaborate ruse to one-up Benjamin250, and also incorporate some Pranay style sentence bolding.
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What if winning a trophy automatically deleted your account instead of giving you a pixel badge that serves as social points. That way the only purpose the competition would serve is personal gratification! Cheaters would be defeated by their own lack of virtue!
over 9 years
Hey Benjamin250 - good luck making a chessbait thread this believable.
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UniversalStudios says


Triumphant says

I played a red heart game of c-14 today and claimed cop and then tracker as ninja and won both ccs. I said that the icons looked really similar. Look at how bad you guys made it!


You're free to bash my win rate, but I blatantly refuse to directly manipulate people.


LOL
over 9 years

Triumphant says

I played a red heart game of c-14 today and claimed cop and then tracker as ninja and won both ccs. I said that the icons looked really similar. Look at how bad you guys made it!


You're free to bash my win rate, but I blatantly refuse to directly manipulate people.
over 9 years

mist says


Thrall says


mist says

rude


hey let's just play nice ok?


if you were gonna be like that, why even bother making a new account and farming it past 500 points?


b/c this way is nicer if no one bans me
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panthero says

1- you dont even like it here, and thus you dont even wanna play

2- yet you want this to die? why cant you let others enjoy it?

3- this shows the filth inside you


He has dishonored the creed of epicmafia, and I propose a fusion-ha. Your indian powers combined with my powers of deduction would surely make us powerful enough to defeat him!

As you say lord pranay, he has shown the filth inside him.
over 9 years

panthero says

this shows the filth inside you


hahahahhaa
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Thrall says


mist says

rude


hey let's just play nice ok?


if you were gonna be like that, why even bother making a new account and farming it past 500 points?
over 9 years
1- you dont even like it here, and thus you dont even wanna play

2- yet you want this to die? why cant you let others enjoy it?

3- this shows the filth inside you
over 9 years

mist says

rude


hey let's just play nice ok?
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rude
over 9 years
Phew, aaaand we're back.
over 9 years

Thrall says

Yes, yes Renaldo, channel your hatred. It will help you.

Edit: I think I misquoted that, oh well


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I played a red heart game of c-14 today and claimed cop and then tracker as ninja and won both ccs. I said that the icons looked really similar. Look at how bad you guys made it!
over 9 years

Triumphant says

Wouldn't it be great if the site leadership invested in and cared about the competitive players in the first time since ever, and then the competitive players started showing respect to a governing body that had proven that it actually cares about them


They'd rather cater to people's whose sole function on this site is to burn red hearts quickly.
over 9 years

Lashka says

Turning it off for a month or so will put the decent players who play because they enjoy mafia into redheart games for a while; which can only be a good thing for the others in those redheart games. It might make a few of the worst people leave, but frankly, they're part of the reason new users don't often join the Competition anyway. And when the competition restarted; it'd be fresh for everyone. Redheart players who'd realised that goldheart players aren't all mean via playing with them for a month might actually give the Competition a try.


Yea, until you start to realize that people resent you when you out reads, drive discussion, and try to deal in absolutes. Then you realize that there's no point and stop playing them.

I tried sheeping and being casual, but it's not for me.
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Triumphant says

Wouldn't it be great if the site leadership invested in and cared about the competitive players in the first time since ever, and then the competitive players started showing respect to a governing body that had proven that it actually cares about them


You're right, because voluntarily handling a load of rigorous, monotonous and petty reports on a daily basis would encourage the notion that they do not care.
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Wouldn't it be great if the site leadership invested in and cared about the competitive players in the first time since ever, and then the competitive players started showing respect to a governing body that had proven that it actually cares about them
over 9 years

AdrenalineMime says

5 days sounds fair


over 9 years
Yes, yes Renaldo, channel your hatred. It will help you.

Edit: I think I misquoted that, oh well
over 9 years

Thrall says


Renaldo says


Thrall says


Renaldo says


Thrall says

So, this is that thing where you're thinking "if we just change this one thing according to this idea I have everything will fall into place" .. thing is, it won't. Turning off competition will, well, just make EM into a giant training lobby of yore.

It will proceed like that, with training lobby cheaters just as they ever were, for however long we keep comp turned off (which we won't) until it's decided to turn it back on, then it'll be the same as it is now.

The site is more resistant to changing it's nature for the better than U'd like to think, Dan.


please bring back TheWhiteBunny


He was back on the forums yesterday evening U missed it Dan.


Where? I need to read this.


Connor deleted the topic in the morning in a fit of righteous fury.


Connor denied me a chance to read TheWhiteBunny? He will pay dearly for this.