It matters because whether or not the town's chances of winning the game were impacted strongly is literally what you use to determine a refund. If the town was clearly on the path to losing regardless, then you don't refund it.
anyone would fight for it, this shouldn't just be about "connor being connor". I'd probably be annoyed and argue too if I thought I didn't get a refund (that was deserved, in my mind) after playing 9 days of competitive mafia.
akira wasn't reading or playing the game so frankly i don't think he believed anything. i don't think that you would value akira's opinion in this situation if it wasn't hypothetically directly supporting your decision
oh, that's true.. hmm... still though, ISP isnt usually refunded under that scenario. though you have a point, maybe it should be. tough one imo
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but what does it matter if they were going to lose? the fact of the matter is akira lost it for town and no amount of 'well they were going to lose anyways' is going to change that fact. you can't honestly say that's a reasonable argument
Someone saying that you might be miller in the cop meeting/day isn't really indication that Akira was in the belief that it was, in fact, LYLO. I'd argue that his play indicated the opposite.
well, you see. hypothetically, if akira didn't selfvote passed timer, town would have had a >0% chance of winning. when akira selfvoted passed timer, town had a 0% chance of winning. hope this helps, gamer
Dude, the town playing a poor game and showing a lot of indications that they would lose regardless isn't a "crackpot theory". Akira solidified the loss, but they were still going to lose regardless. That is my point.
Yes he did. He selfvoted as Hibiki flipped mafia. Yes he was ISP, yes he up the game, but that behavior isnt inherently antitown, and therefore it's also the fault of the remaining players, who ML'd hibiki and chose to lynch someone who was selfvoting when they thought they werent participating enough.
i dont like ppl ganging up against someone, so i figured id give my input. i think pjm made the right call, sorry.
actually, it was. it was because the cop was going to decide a lynch, but that decision was robbed from him when the townie decided that he himself was the lynch. hope this helps
And traditionally, refunds are rarely given for ISP play. Overall, I don't think Akira's play was the main cause of town losing the game. It was a key reason, but it was not the overall direct cause of the loss.
Akira made the game impossible to win when he selfvoted and got blitzed on. This is correct. However, the town appeared to be on a road of losing the game regardless of whether or not Akira -did- self vote, since the self voting was very late into the game.
It's not reasonable to expect pjm to do the work to compare the game I was in to the game he refunded, read both games, compare town's reads at the point of the ISP/throw, etc. Blackbattler, that case was different and decided differently; my point was that town did not clearly have better read's in Connor's game than in mine. Aura, you can't be totally sure of a game's outcome, but the job in these refund reports is to use your judgment about the hypothetical.
