Should claiming scum and/or outing your partner ever be tolerated, even as a WIFOM "tactic", or should it be outlawed completely no matter the circumstance?
"Gamethrowing" is in quotation marks because it cannot be guaranteed to be truly gamethrowing, but would be treated as such.
Think about this: should saying "my partner y sucks" when y is a town be a violation?
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e.g
partner gets lynched 'man my partner x sucks'
this is a form of GT immediately, but most rational people are under the impression that you wouldn't GT and out their partner so it becomes mere WIFOM however it's far too easy to say if things go wrong that they were wifoming
No they're not. Pretending to gamethrow would be right from the start outting your partners and pushing on them. Once you're dying, giving people a "hint" is not pretending to gamethrow at all, because it is quite obvious that the purpose is to start a WIFOM. "Would he really say his partner is mafia? Would he put his partner on the spot" etc.
It often derails town into a pointless argument instead f scumhunting and is quite easy. Look at what atrophy said "claiming mafia is different because you are trying to convince town that you ..." It's exactly the same scenario. Both are "pretending to give up" literally, but have the purpose to put town into doubting themselves
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honestly i think it shouldn't be permitted after thinking about it because it falls under a category of OGI where you willingly are trying to GT under the guise of wifom but that's just me
WIFOM tactics should be allowed. Last I checked, however, it actually isn't allowed to wifom out your partner. Although I don't see that clause right now, I don't remember that ever being changed.
So yes it should be changed to be allowed, assuming it still isnt. GT should always be about intention
i put in the vote catagory that it's "its own violation" because there is no option for trolling/ogi which is what it would b if it was a wifom tactic by pretending to GT
well technically it's the same as pretending to be gamethrowing whether you do it as wifom or not. if u r trying to give the impression u r outing ur partner u are by definition trying to give the impression u r throwing the game. claiming mafia is different because the intent is to convince the town that u r being a laid back tard and are more likely town than maf. unless ur doing it earnestly in which case its gt.
but yeh i think pretending to out a partner for wifom or other reasons is a vio because its either actually breaking the rules or pretending to break the rules to gain a game advantuge, which is still breaking the rules.
hey, guess what. we already know this. the OP is polling the concept of changing the current handling
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you fear me, samuraigeorge.
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ahahah just aks youself would a smauri do it you see we samurai are the model of lief folow our paht to victory and we il defeat all ivevl man i wil slice his head off of evil man ahahhaa
no because its a scrub tactic that shouldn't be happening
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Milton, i think you should reread the OP if you think i'm talking about site rules. Trouble, the same goes for a lot of other vio types. A lot of times, you can't prove whether people GRS'd or not, and that's how it should be.
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People who throw don't usually say "Yes, I threw that game, it was me"
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wrong. please do not post misinformation again
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As with anything else, it's about intent.
Outing your partners because you're mad at them and want them to lose: Intent to throw, vio.
Outing your partners because you think someone will overthink it and not vote them: No intent to throw, no vio. (but still a pretty poor play most of the time)
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lol i outted my partner then he used it as wifom and he won but i did it out of spite LOLOLOL
