Look, I'm not going to make a big stink over this but I really think this game should be refunded https://epicmafia.com/report/111846 . I think the mods made a wrong decision. It happens sometimes, I get it. He literally blew autowin, and I just don't think it's fair that if you earn a win for the town and someone messes it up by refusing to pay attention, you don't get your win and you have to play again. It's even more unfair when you actually get a loss instead.
Apuleio participated throughout the whole game. Apuleio explained that it was a mistake, and he apologized for it. I understand it's no fun to lose in a situation that should have been a win, however mistakes happen. I think Apuleio is well aware of the fact he messed it up there. It wasn't his intention to lose (so no GT) and he did participate during the game (so no ISP). So I agree with the verdict.
Throwing autowin by negligence is a violation. It's always been a violation. ISP via negligence was added for this and to not refund this is laughable.
You're trying to argue the literal clauses of the written rule rather than the concept of what the rule was made for.
deletedover 10 years
This game could decide whether I get bronze or silver so I implore you to refund it! This is what ISP by negligence was made for.
ITT: people try to convince the mods that negligence alone is a violation when the violation clearly now says "but not from negligence alone", instead of trying to convince them that he didn't participate enough and that led to the mistake
deletedover 10 years
First of all, I was in the game, so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt. Also I'm sorry about my broken keyboard in that game, lol.
The exchange between Keri and Apul made it pretty clear that she was cop, and it was a grave oversight on Apul's part. If he had reread the game, I think he would have realized that she was cop. I would suggest that in the future when playing S&L people make sure they use the role marker, which is a great tool. This is a really borderline report and I can see the arguments both for and against an ISP. It is unfortunate that the town was in autowin, and for that reason alone I would lean more towards giving an ISP.
Wow I didn't think I would have made all this mess.
Well I didn't isp, I didn't threw, I tried to win. I just genuinely forget Keri was cop. At that point obviously I trusted Ape, so my hammer was legit. I was fine with that lynch also because Awesome didn't convince me on d5, and I thought he was mafia gaving up and trying bad arguments to not getting lynched.
Anyway I REREAD THE GAME (as I walways do), and Ape seemed more townie to me. I just didn't pay attention to night phases, because I wanted to search any reads on Ape and Awesome, so I read their sentences, and mostly omitted the rest.
I already said I'm sorry for throwing an auto, but don't describe me as someone who isps or doesn't play to win, or enjoys throwing games.
Imo this shouldn't be refunded, but honestly I don't care so much, so I'm fine if you refund. Yeah, I hate that someone maybe doesn't win a trophy for my fault, but there are really tons and tons of games where I see negligent players lynching wrong just for lazyness. 20-30% of my games should be refunded. There are seriously a lot of games I played where the victory was caused by someone serious fault, or inattention, but noone cared.
via preposition \ˈvī-ə, ˈvē-ə\ : by going through (a particular place) : by way of (a particular place)
: by means of (a person, machine, etc.) : by using (something or someone)
Insufficient participation via negligence has nothing to do with them otherwise insufficiently participating. They didn't sufficiently participate in that they were negligent.
Connor, your opinion of me is irrelevant, are you denying what I'm saying?
deletedover 10 years
Negligence and bad plays aren't violations, nor are they refundable (despite what past moderators who apparently had no idea what they were doing say). Hope this helps.
