deletedalmost 11 years

Why is someone who was banned for cheating modded

almost 11 years
I will also publicly admit that I recommended Gaf to both Dez and Bront and I'll also tell you my reasons.

Gafgarion is a nice, smart, friendly and helpful guy.

He is the kind of person that takes the time to explain stuff to newer players and I think that's a very good asset for a moderator.

He understands rules and setups and he sure knows a lot about the history of the site. When I look at myself that's something that I sometimes feel I'm missing. It's harder for me to catch 'well-known banned users' and I fail to comprehend jokes about stuff that happened 2 years ago.

Gafgarion furthermore always showed great passion for EM when we talked. He seems to genuinely care about the site and he wants to help out.

When I see the backlash here I feel bad that I didn't tell Deze or Bront about Gaf's 'history' with cheating, but to be honest I never felt like that mattered because I believe him 100% when he says he never did it. Plus, it could easily be found in the report system and although I can't be sure because I wasn't there during the conversation, it wouldn't surprise me Gaf told about it himself in the interview.

I am quite sure there are a lot of cheaters out there who never get caught or that cheat a long time before they get caught.
However I'm also sure some people who are banned for cheating, never cheated. It is easy to write a pastebin in one way or the other and when you're on a hunt it's easy to see what you want to see. I'm more of an 'innocent until proven guilty' kind of person and Gaf is banned for only circumstantial evidence. I strongly feel he's been wrongly banned in the past.

Even IF he did in fact cheat almost 2 years ago I still think he has all the assets to be a great addition to the mod team.
almost 11 years
i trust gira and the old mods' opinions over gafgarion saying he didn't cheat and looking at a pastebin with broken games, but that's just me
almost 11 years
That isn't even the full evidence, there was more proof but it was erased due to games being unspeccable, ronder was working on the case months prior to that pastebin.
deletedalmost 11 years
deletedalmost 11 years
Did he tell you about his training games too
deletedalmost 11 years
almost 11 years
ladynemesis so you take cheaters at their word?


obviously if he was convicted/banned, there was enough evidence to ban him.
almost 11 years

Sachy says

The admin team... meaning just her ?


As in both of them, as I assume they do confer on their decisions in hiring and firing staff, unless their co-adminship is actually something a bit more separated in that they each do separate jobs, but I don't know how it works.
deletedalmost 11 years
i think the only people who didn't know he cheated were me and bronto.
almost 11 years

Lizor says

[...]


He was banned ages ago you wouldn't have even been around then unless you had some other account before LadyNemesis.[/quote]I wasn't there when he got banned of course. He told me about it.
almost 11 years
I have reread the pastebin made against him.
almost 11 years
He obviously cheated, anyone who was there at the time and read the case knows this.
deletedalmost 11 years
The admin team... meaning just her ?
almost 11 years
Dez just something saying the admin team modded him because of X Y and Z and we're sticking to our guns, or something like that.
almost 11 years
she knew he cheated and bronto didn't, how much more official can you get
almost 11 years
Modding a cheater that didn't confess is worse that modding one that did. I think as a mod you shouldn't have been making personal decisions about a case that you (correct me if I'm wrong) know nothing about.

I liked Gaf, he was the leader of Zeal, my family at that time. That's why I haven't looked at the case, because I don't want to either have bias that makes me think he's not lying or believe he cheated completely and ruin my image of him. Part of me still wants to believe there's a chance that he didn't cheat and I don't want to ruin that. That said, had I been in your place I would have definitely not advocated the modding of someone who was banned for cheating simply because I believed him.

Although I respect you came and said it here.
almost 11 years
Not rn of course, but eventually

Also Satan look at my word choice, it implies that it was a joint decision
almost 11 years
I already made that statement, I modded him knowing of his background. How official would you like it to be?

Eris, you didn't solve my math problem the second time - I had to ask my professor. So tsk, I got to sleep with him for the highest grade.
almost 11 years

gistofeverything says

Dezeriae are we going to get an official statement from you about the administration's decision to mod this user?


....why would she give an official statement before talking to bronto
almost 11 years

gistofeverything says

Dezeriae are we going to get an official statement from you about the administration's decision to mod this user?


>official statement on online mafia site lmao
deletedalmost 11 years

dezeriae says


eris says


dezeriae says


eris says

Why the alt Dez?


Not my alt.


It's either you or someone who resides with you, it's old enough to be in my DB.


I don't live alone, secret is solved.


Wow stop cheating on me.
almost 11 years
Dezeriae are we going to get an official statement from you about the administration's decision to mod this user?
almost 11 years

eris says


dezeriae says


eris says

Why the alt Dez?


Not my alt.


It's either you or someone who resides with you, it's old enough to be in my DB.


I don't live alone, secret is solved.
deletedalmost 11 years
She wasnt
almost 11 years

LadyNemesis says


Steven says

Serious question: did gaf ever say he did indeed cheat? I know he was banned for it of course


No. Absolutely not. He still says he never cheated and I don't really see any reason why he'd lie about it after such a long time. Especially when he told a then super new player (me) about it he had no reason whatsoever to lie.

So yeah, to answer another question, I can admit to being a mod that knew about Gaf's background. I also believe him 100%.


He was banned ages ago you wouldn't have even been around then unless you had some other account before LadyNemesis.