This post will unban ABC.

deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago

STAY ClownS fRigGiN bOzOMods


UPDATES

Edark, Cody, Dahlia decided the below case did not justify an unban.

Arcbell - neutral as always. Offered $50 to james to unban him. Funny, but inherently scummy

Then they added 4 months to abc's ban.

And banned me as well (I actually deserved it tho). Damn I actually put real effort in this and they took a few back and forths to dismiss it. that university i went to was a waste cuz this was the simplest case on the planet


Alright. This is a personal test from me to mods. The only try hard piece of writing you'll ever encounter out of me on this website. Mods. You have simple duties on this party game website. That's to 1- keep it alive, 2- keep users happy, 3- and clean up the forums from terrifying words like mong and incorrect gender pronoun usage

INTRODUCTION
I point out the following reasons why he deserves a release: 1- he is spiteful as a banned user and the community suffers for it, this will be removed obviously, 2- the site gains nothing with his “ban”, 3- his ban doesnt even stop him from being banned in the first place (rofl), 4- philosophically it follows that he would abandon all sense of rules and be a trouble maker while exiled from a society that enforces these rules and in such a case, him breaking rules w/ this status is perfectly f'ucking reasonable. This is not a case that justifies continuing his perpetual ban.

Listen, ABC is only going to continue pestering until you do the right thing and give him his due freedom. It will continue on and on and on. What pros have you uncovered over the past 2 years he's been banned. Have there been cheating and round pausing every round since? Have there been nonstop GT alts showing up? Or trolls in every game destroying competition? Yes, this is an endless problem that is only facilitated by wrongly banning users who then spite this entire community. So, unban this f'ucker.

Also how is the site changed by keeping abc banned. Nothing changes. It's simply funny how no one gets this. All that has happened is you've changed his status to banned user while he bypasses on alts, nonstop. Have we defeated a main villain and all misery ends? Does the site get anything beneficial at all? Does the community get any healthier, cleaner, warmer? Is there some glow of energy filled with epicmafia justice powder sprayed from Rutab's cow utter onto tables as we play? Well he's been on the site his whole ban. He's been on today. You aren't stopping him. Look at the OP in that 'confessions' thread. He's been playing actively this entire time. do the most logical thing and unban

His status as a banned user with no release date acts as a propellant to his bad behavior. Why wouldn't it? He has no reason to expect being released. And I swear, Edark, if you think him doing bad things while being PERPETUALLY banned is a reason to keep him banned, then you are basically dictating. To illustrate, if I personally feel in my mind there is no date for my release from jail, and I'm perpetually stuck with no freedom, then I feel I have nothing to lose by breaking any rules. It's as if there is no more authority or rules. Because being perma stuck in a prison does this to most people. You basically created a situation that allows his no respect for rules attitude. Is there one simple fix to this? Could it be to f’ucking give a man his due f'ucking freedom?

This s'hit is simple philosophy and was explained succinctly by Sirius in the other thread. But you read one snippet from someone else that mentioned in one comment that "he wont ever reform, heerpp" then you hammered a decision based on that saying, “he aint getting unbanned.” Quest then self deletes.

-vovvisarna


TL;DR- Unban Quest. If you don't then I expect a lengthy and thorough argument made against every point in this post BY BOTH ADMINS. I guarantee the arguments made here should convince any unbiased person of logic and reason.

Poll
Did you read this entire post? If not don't vote. If yes, then answer: do you agree with my argument?
I AGREE AND READ 100%69%9
I DISAGREE AND READ 100%30%4
Mathalmost 10 years ago
you don't have to have a violation/report history of thrown games to have been throwing games. we bypassed that and directly banned the account because the throwing was that apparent
JuniorMafiaalmost 10 years ago
Math
threw games on some other account
what you originally said which is confirmed false now that you linked the acct you accused me of being. you're backpedalling
Mathalmost 10 years ago
JuniorMafia
your argument changed from "you broke the rules when i gave you a chance" to "no accounts in main other than sanctity". you're the one backpedalling
i told you in very clear words that i set the rules and that that was the rule that we were going by

nice try tho
Mathalmost 10 years ago
not sure what motivation you have to alienate me, someone who (from your own experience) doesn't see any real value in having you banned.

also not sure why the "you're trying to become admin" comment was for because i'd sooner throw thousands of dollars away before devoting admin-levels of time again to this site while having to actually care for its well-being
JuniorMafiaalmost 10 years agoedited
i denied that being me long ago, i don't feel the need to repeat myself. i'm just saying that acct had no vios and you accused me of throwing whilst being given a chance
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years agoedited
any last words?

ok I'm cutting y'all off
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
abc says he has been playing ms so it makes sense why his debate skills are poor
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deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
lol edark is either trolling or idk

edark - do you want to join me on a skype call? It will be a lot easier. Bring whoever you want with you. Bring Cody who's on your side
JuniorMafiaalmost 10 years ago
your argument changed from "you broke the rules when i gave you a chance" to "no accounts in main other than sanctity". you're the one backpedalling
Edarkalmost 10 years ago
oh yeah perhaps I should revoke your posting abilities aswell now

hit me up in 4 months if you wish to talk in the forums again
JuniorMafiaalmost 10 years ago
Math
also you're not even denying that being you when you never should have been on it in the first place as per our very strict deal that we actually talked about over skype

"no accounts in main other than sanctity"

so it's nice to see you desperately backpedaling and forgetting the terms of the deal we made
im not backpedalling

"no accounts in main other than sanctity" then that's not a leash, that means you're not allowing me to be myself. i never broke any vios, goodbye
Arcbellalmost 10 years ago
I'm surprised my solution isn't being taken more seriously. This is epicmafia real laws don't apply. We can just do whatever.
Mathalmost 10 years ago
also you're not even denying that being you when you never should have been on it in the first place as per our very strict deal that we actually talked about over skype

"no accounts in main other than sanctity"

so it's nice to see you desperately backpedaling and forgetting the terms of the deal we made
JuniorMafiaalmost 10 years ago
Retti
Edark, make me forum mod and I will ban both vilden and abc for you on sight
idk if vilden is even here but im still unbanned from custom lobbies and this is the complaints forum
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Edarkalmost 10 years ago
"Day1
banned user quest cant get his way. he deletes his account and everyone's pretty sad"

What are you blabbering about? He deleted the account since he got access to Roo's account and played a total of 5 games on Foo. He lost 4 of them lol
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deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
This has turned into a "Test Edarks Logic" skills exchange. I'm more curious about that now
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
I will also lock this thread and solve world hunger
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JimSpermWormalmost 10 years ago
Edark
JimSpermWorm
I have no clue who Nathan is. Is Nathan posting in this thread? Can Nathan do a PW reset for me? Thanks.
We cant reset your password, you gotta do it yourself if you linked a correct email to your account.
What if I didn't? I think I used a toss-away email. Is there any other way...
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
Edark, make me forum mod and I will ban both vilden and abc for you on sight
Arcbellalmost 10 years ago
He should be freed.

After he pays his fine.

Of $50 USD.
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
Edark - let me know if that makes sense.
JuniorMafiaalmost 10 years ago
JuniorMafia
Math
JuniorMafia
Math
well of course i wasn't going to unban you from main because from what i saw/heard you bypassed while on sanctity and threw games on some other account
where did i throw games on some other account
glitterati: https://epicmafia.com/user/585872#/

you denied it being you but let's be honest with ourselves here what motivation did you have to tell me the truth
https://epicmafia.com/report?status=closed&reporter=&reported=Glitterati

literally 0 violations. get out man you're just trying to become admin again lol
don't ignore this, give me a 1 vio leash, i always behave when im unbanned
Edarkalmost 10 years ago
JimSpermWorm
I have no clue who Nathan is. Is Nathan posting in this thread? Can Nathan do a PW reset for me? Thanks.
We cant reset your password, you gotta do it yourself if you linked a correct email to your account.
Mathalmost 10 years ago
bottom line is that within the last month you not only bypassed but you cheated and threw while you bypassed which would have added another ~5 months on to any existing ban that you would have had. suppose you were due to be unbanned (by me as per our deal) in mid October. then that pushes it back to March next year.

come back then and show no evidence of yourself on the site and i'll fight for you to be unbanned if i'm around.
deleteddeletedalmost 10 years ago
Edark
Vovvisarna
Edark, I'm giving you two scenarios. One scenario is better than the other in terms of quality of games


1. Him banned

2. Him unbanned


I established 1 is worse. If/when he throws while unbanned, so be it. But maybe he doesn't throw? Maybe his unban was so difficult to finally reach he doesnt want to ruin it

So do you want to keep the worse scenario with him banned? Because that defies all logic

I think you're missing a lot of what I'm getting at
Im saying that implying that his behaviour will change when he is unbanned is a baseless assumption that goes against his recent behaviour. Nothing(other than his word that has proven to be worth jacksh*t) has made me believe that he is reformed and would act like a normal regular user. He got his chance from Cody and he blew it already.
Its not baseless

Here's why

Day1
banned user quest cant get his way. he deletes his account and everyone's pretty sad

Day2
He FINALLY is unbanned. after 2 years. has 1 vio leash. even deleted his quest account when u said u were keeping him banned. he is happy he finally has what he wanted. he joins a game of mafia with a runner. quest has 7 violations.

What does ABC do in this game?
Is it baseless to assume hes going to play legit?
It's not. It's based on many things. .
I'm surprised I have to argue this man