This role name isn't racist exactly. It was probably uncalled for to remove the thread.

But imagine for example we had the gunsmith role and we named it instead "The White Guy." It's not offensive exactly. But it just brings up so many questions.

Why??? Is there some stereotype associating white guys with giving out guns??? Is this some strange racially tinged attack (linking white guys to gun violence)??? Is this a movie reference I'm not getting????

Googling "El Chicano", it seems like the last point is your problem. You named a role after a movie character, which is great! But a lot of people on epicmafia haven't heard of the movie, so when we hear that someone wants to create a violent vigilante role and name it after a certain ethnicity we don't figure out it's to do with MafiaGod's hip reference to a newly produced 2019 movie instead of Uncle MafiaGod's strange ideas on racial dynamics and stereotypes.

the problem here is just because you don't think it's racist doesn't mean other people don't find it racist

White people choosing what minorities are allowed to be offended by is very 2019.

You’re dumb. I’m not calling the word racist, I’m calling your whole idea of making this thug role about a Mexican a bit racist.

you are weak ?

I am not rubbing anything in people's faces, enough said. I want to come back to this thread tomorrow and see people's comments. That is all. Then I will delete it. Mods won't overturn the role name idea anyway, so I am going to change it to Thug, that way he can be white, italian, Mexican, or even a trans (attack) helicopter who goes to a Conservative Baptist church who is really a Muslim for all I care.

Are you really getting this worked up over me saying that you Unknowingly did something. Stressing on the unknowing btw

I didn't write it differently the second time omegalul

I assumed you were referring to the second part of my sentence misunderstanding your intentions, unless you want to tell me that "Well the thing is, now that you know some may find it offensive" was incorrect and you knowingly did it then cool bro

To further state this, I've never ever heard El Chicano mean Mexican thug until Ally told me that. Where is that even coming from? Mafia is a term for Italian thug that derived from New York/Siciliy, literally.

Doesn't change how you wrote it the first time.

I described you remaking the thread when it was removed b/c there were racial implications where people found it offensive as "Rubbing it on other people's faces". You don't have to be aware to offend someone. Anyway next

"Well the thing is, now that you know some may find it offensive you can stop rubbing it on their faces now." You accused me of doing something I didn't do, and I am very offended.

MafiaGod says

Ok you can screw off, don't imply that I am doing anything, stop being a-holes about this from the get go. You are not actually helping productive discussion by falsely accusing me of things.

Right back at cha

You're on a site where sh it and f uck was censored so my tip is to pick your battles

I never accused you of anything. I merely said that some people find it offensive and since your last thread was moved you probably should know better than to remake a thread with it again.

My conclusion is that, I think people who don't want to use the term, are the racists, because it is a hispanic word. How dare we favor one race more than other here! Wait, we are already doing that with the word Mafia. o.o

Seriously, go look at pictures of hispanic people holding Chicano signs in the 1960's and since then, and you will completely see that this isn't an offensive word, unless you the user use it that way to belittle another.

The other problem I have is that we had a Chicano movement in the 1960's, to change the meaning of that term, for the purpose of empowering Mexican civil rights. No one here was alive in the 1960's.

Yes, I agree that at a glance, besides Mafia, none of the other roles seem to be racial, maybe witch doctor, but I am sure if you dig deep you can find more.

"Ma·fi·o·so
[mäfēˈōsō]
NOUN
a member of the Mafia.
synonyms:
hoodlum · racketeer · bandit · robber · ruffian · thug · tough · desperado · outlaw · villain ·" [The implication of being a hoodlum and criminal is where it is offensive.]

Villain was also a swear word - Shakespeare used it as such in Romeo and Juliet, do we still use it that way today?

My compromise would be to use "desperado." But I feel like that would be more for a mafia member that would have a bat.

Ok Possess you can screw off, don't imply that I am doing anything, stop being a-holes about this from the get go. You are not actually helping productive discussion by falsely accusing me of things.

I don't think it is racist, I never have. I don't know anyone who thinks it is racists irl either, when I've lived in Mexican culture for over 18 years of my life. Now I've heard machismo being used as a serious a racial term to devalue very low class Mexican culture South of San Diego, El Paso, and Tucson, in Nogales, Tiajuana, and Juerez. Even the word gringo can be used offensively, but it isn't always.

I get that people have used it for lower class and stuff, but I don't know that some would actually find it offensive. I'd like to know why. The term Mafia or Mafioso in Sicily and Fruilia (I lived there for 3 years I actually know this to be a fact) is highly offensive. Want to change the name of the site too?

Btw, 30% of the people in my family are American/Mexicans = Chicanos. I am a little offended that people are saying a title now being used to describe mexicans in my family is a racist title when it just isn't. "The term became widely used during the Chicano Movement by Mexican Americans to express pride in a shared cultural, ethnic and community identity."

"Chicanos were the offsprings of people from mexico who struggled to live in the developing America where they were shot and stuff. It's like if a role was called white person"

Well the thing is, now that you know some may find it offensive you can stop rubbing it on their faces now.

Just come up with another name for the role; If you need the role description again it's as the following;

Village sided vigilante. Starts with a baseball bat and one knife. The baseball bat knocks out a player for one day and one night. During this day/night the cannot see or vote, even as mafia. Knife works like normal.

MAYBE gets a baseball bat everyday instead of one baseball bat and knife. Drop the knife if you just want to give him the bat.

Like, if you are seriously offended please post that too, I would like to know. But give a reason why being called a chicano offends you. If you have ever been labeled as one let me know that too. I would like to be educated on your experience.


My personal experience,.... I grew up in Tucson and Chicano has never been used as a term of racism, but rather more like "(Chicano) dude, what's up?"