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Revising The Hateful Comments Rule

about 6 years

I really like what I'm seeing with lucid (admin) being more active again. He brings with him the opportunity to make changes, as he owns the website and does all the coding. But before making big changes to the website and to rules, it's important to discuss the changes properly. Now I'm in no way implying that this doesn't get done or hasn't been done recently, but there are just a couple of things which I feel might have been overlooked amongst the changes. I feel like the ideas and progression have the right mindset, but that they've been just a little misplaced/misguided.

I'm talking about the new 'Racial Slurs' rule. The idea behind its creation, I'll infer, is to punish racial slurs heavily. There's no problem with that idea at all, it's great. But consider for a moment the 'Hateful Comments' rule:

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Expires in 3 months

1. Warning
2. 12 Hour Suspension and 24 Hour Forum Suspension
3. 24 Hour Suspension and Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
4. Site Ban

This rule seems to already encompass the idea of the 'Racial Slurs' rule. It says "based on race" among other things in the rule already.

Creating a new rule dedicated solely to racial slurs raises the question: "Why not create a separate rule for homophobic slurs? And one for religious hate? And for mental capabilities?" These questions are completely valid on the premise that only one form of hateful language, that being towards race, just had a separate rule created for it.

Now let's have a look at the new 'Racial Slurs' rule:

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1. Warning
2. Site Ban

It's clear that the idea behind the violation structure is to have low tolerance for these type of slurs. I completely agree with the notion that slurs need to have low tolerance. However, this idea being limited to racial slurs alone makes it seem as though the potential behind this good idea of low tolerance is being placed improperly. I feel like this idea would be better applied simply to the 'Hateful Comments' rule itself, which would help to mitigate all types of hateful comments and language, not just racial slurs. This would include having a 6 month violation expiry for all hateful comments and in the 'Hateful Comments' rule, not just for racial slurs and in the 'Racial Slurs' rule.

I argue that instead of creating a new rule dedicated solely to racial slurs, simply modify the 'Hateful Comments' rule into something such as:

Hateful Comments

Any form of hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, ableism, mental capabilities, as well as other personal circumstances.

Expires in 6 months

1. 24 Hour Suspension
2. 24 Hour Huspension AND Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
3. Site Ban

OR

1. Warning OR 24 Hour Suspension AND Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
2. Site Ban.

Whichever the moderator staff & lucid wish to implement.

In this way, the idea of having very low tolerance on all types of slurs is better justified. Note also that "severe or excessive" is removed, and "ableism" is added in. I admit that I am not the greatest writer, so if there are ideas in regards to this I think I speak for everybody when I say that we would be more than happy to entertain them. Also the second violation structure option may seem harsh, but at the same time, we do not want people who are going to break this rule more than twice on this website at all. The moderator staff can implement whichever of the two violation structures they see fit in accordance with lucid and his ideas for the website; but the idea here remains the same regardless of whichever violation structure is ultimately chosen.

The other option is to have 'Racial Slurs' violations count towards your number of 'Hateful Comments' violations. For example, Player1 has 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, and 1 'Hateful Comments' violation. A 2nd 'Hateful Comments' violation would lead to a site ban, because they already have 1 'Racial Slurs' violation which counts towards that total as well (or they would already be banned if the second violation structure in the revised 'Hateful Comments' rule was implemented). If this were not to be implemented, it would be possible for a user to have 2 'Hateful Comments' violations, 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, and still be unbanned. This doesn't seem to make sense, since 3 'Hateful Comments' violations would lead to a Site Ban... This is how we should structure these rules, as right now, we have a 1 violation maximum for 'Racial Slurs' before a ban, and a 3 violation maximum for 'Hateful Comments' before a ban. Racial slurs are hateful comments, so this simply doesn't make any sense.

The problem with this however is that it still doesn't implement an equal violation counter type of structure in regards to other types of hateful language or comments involving sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances. For example, using hateful language/comments or a slur towards any of the domains I just mentioned would still currently be a 2 violation maximum before a ban, while using hateful language/comments or a slur towards race is at a 1 violation maximum. Hateful language/comments towards all of the domains in the 'Hateful Comments' rule should be equal, and they should all count towards each others' maximum (i.e. So you don't have a user with 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, 1 'Sexist Slurs' violation, 1 'Ableist Slurs' violation, etc., if each domain hypothetically had a separate rule). But the idea of having a separate rule for all of these different domains seems a bit silly, when we could have one rule that incorporates them all with the same low-tolerance that they all would and should have if they were separate. And guess what? We already do, and it's the 'Hateful Comments' rule. It seems easier to just implement the 2nd violation structure for the revised 'Hateful Comments' rule above rather than deal with all of this and rather than creating a new rule ('Racial Slurs'), especially when the idea here is the same and is shared by (or should be shared by) everybody: There must be a lower tolerance towards all hateful comments and language.

P.S. The "No" option in the poll should say "No, I am not for this." instead of "No, I do not like this.". I'd want the Yes and No options to have equivalent wording if I could edit the options over.

tl;dr: There is no need for the 'Racial Slurs' rule. Revising the 'Hateful Comments' rule & its violation structure is better implementation for mods/lucid wanting to lower tolerance on hateful comments in general.

I'd like to know what you think. Please say why you voted what you voted in a post, thank you.
23
Yes, I am for this.
16
No, I do not like this.
5
Other
about 6 years

admin says

or i can just make it more greyed out the more caps there are in the sentence


yeah i think thats better!
about 6 years
tho i guess it would be a nice buffer if they realized they were only arguing in caps, and would have to repeat what they said more "calmly"

it depends on the group. i can see the small text being used as an advantage for people who want to make the game more difficult too.
about 6 years

cowboy says


Songin says


admin says

also i think if someone types in too much capital letters, i should shrink the font by half the size


I love this idea so much. Using caps locks to sound out other players is so annoying, especially when it's 3-4 players all arguing back and forth in full caps lock.


i like this but u should also consider if 3-4 people are arguing in caps and it reduces the font size, then the entire argument is reduced in a smaller text block and will become harder to read/process

everyone would be arguing in the same text size but just screaming tinier, which makes it more difficult on the eyes!


or i can just make it more greyed out the more caps there are in the sentence
about 6 years

Songin says


admin says

also i think if someone types in too much capital letters, i should shrink the font by half the size


I love this idea so much. Using caps locks to sound out other players is so annoying, especially when it's 3-4 players all arguing back and forth in full caps lock.


i like this but u should also consider if 3-4 people are arguing in caps and it reduces the font size, then the entire argument is reduced in a smaller text block and will become harder to read/process

everyone would be arguing in the same text size but just screaming tinier, which makes it more difficult on the eyes!
about 6 years

admin says

also i think if someone types in too much capital letters, i should shrink the font by half the size


I love this idea so much. Using caps locks to sound out other players is so annoying, especially when it's 3-4 players all arguing back and forth in full caps lock.
about 6 years
yelling in-game is like the most annoying thing
about 6 years
also i think if someone types in too much capital letters, i should shrink the font by half the size
about 6 years

admin says


Songin says

I'd say definitely in-game. I could argue against forums and comments though. Would suck if typing a long forum post and you use a word that you didn't know was filtered, and end up having the entire thing replaced.

And yeah, PMs should be unfiltered.


ok, thanks! that's very helpful


I'd say keep the filter basic for forums and comments. Simply replacing the filtered word with asteriks/fruit/etc would be enough.

In-game though, the idea of someone's rage-filled typing being replaced with this:


blacksnakemoan says

"Be the change you want to see in the world"


Is hilarious af. I'd love to see it.
about 6 years
Honest question : is 4ustistic is a slur even tho 1 letter is changed?
about 6 years

Songin says

I'd say definitely in-game. I could argue against forums and comments though. Would suck if typing a long forum post and you use a word that you didn't know was filtered, and end up having the entire thing replaced.

And yeah, PMs should be unfiltered.


ok, thanks! that's very helpful
about 6 years
I'd say definitely in-game. I could argue against forums and comments though. Would suck if typing a long forum post and you use a word that you didn't know was filtered, and end up having the entire thing replaced.

And yeah, PMs should be unfiltered.
about 6 years
i think it's fine to have private messages be unfiltered, i suppose
about 6 years
ah ok, so this should be applied in-game, forums, maybe comments too?
about 6 years
Also just an afterthought, but I'd say if your line is changed because you used a filtered word, that it be in a different font so players know you aren't just screwing around.
about 6 years
"Be the change you want to see in the world"

use this lmao
about 6 years

Songin says


admin says

Ok I really like what blizzard did. Can we come up with a list of silly sentences, and also a list of words to censor?


"My mom says it's past my bedtime, but I enjoy epicmafia too much to go to bed!"

"I just learned my lefts from my rights!"

"I'm sorry I didn't mean to say a no-no word :("

"Don't worry guys, I promise I'll stop being racist soon!"

"I know I'm not good at playing epicmafia, but that doesn't stop me from trying!"

"My mom just brought me home tendies!"

"I'm trying to become more famous on instagram, can you guys follow me!: www.instagram.com/josemorenofs"


As for censored words, here's the direct link to list schwartz posted:
https://github.com/dkoontz-blizzard/profanity-filter/blob/master/src/config/config.php

Would also be a good idea to make it so site admins and mdoerators can edit the list.


thank you!
about 6 years

admin says

Ok I really like what blizzard did. Can we come up with a list of silly sentences, and also a list of words to censor?


"My mom says it's past my bedtime, but I enjoy epicmafia too much to go to bed!"

"I just learned my lefts from my rights!"

"I'm sorry I didn't mean to say a no-no word :("

"Don't worry guys, I promise I'll stop being racist soon!"

"I know I'm not good at playing epicmafia, but that doesn't stop me from trying!"

"My mom just brought me home tendies!"

"I'm trying to become more famous on instagram, can you guys follow me!: www.instagram.com/josemorenofs"


As for censored words, here's the direct link to list schwartz posted:
https://github.com/dkoontz-blizzard/profanity-filter/blob/master/src/config/config.php

Would also be a good idea to make it so site admins and mdoerators can edit the list.
about 6 years
known glitch.
about 6 years
restart the round dex has 5 hearts but no one has noticed so I will post on the active thread.
about 6 years
then we get people calling other people "f*cking woofs"


Togepi says

Is this a Java site??? I thought this ran on Node.




stop flexing on me
about 6 years
You should make it something stupid like animal noises

Imagine trying to type a sentence with a slur and instead you just say "Woof woof"
about 6 years
i mean you could just scramble it like you do with thulu
about 6 years
about 6 years

JM123 says


admin says

Ok I really like what blizzard did. Can we come up with a list of silly sentences, and also a list of words to censor?


just replace every single slur with www.instagram.com/josemorenofs

gg


loll
about 6 years
never forget foopdoodle