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Revising The Hateful Comments Rule

about 6 years

I really like what I'm seeing with lucid (admin) being more active again. He brings with him the opportunity to make changes, as he owns the website and does all the coding. But before making big changes to the website and to rules, it's important to discuss the changes properly. Now I'm in no way implying that this doesn't get done or hasn't been done recently, but there are just a couple of things which I feel might have been overlooked amongst the changes. I feel like the ideas and progression have the right mindset, but that they've been just a little misplaced/misguided.

I'm talking about the new 'Racial Slurs' rule. The idea behind its creation, I'll infer, is to punish racial slurs heavily. There's no problem with that idea at all, it's great. But consider for a moment the 'Hateful Comments' rule:

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Expires in 3 months

1. Warning
2. 12 Hour Suspension and 24 Hour Forum Suspension
3. 24 Hour Suspension and Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
4. Site Ban

This rule seems to already encompass the idea of the 'Racial Slurs' rule. It says "based on race" among other things in the rule already.

Creating a new rule dedicated solely to racial slurs raises the question: "Why not create a separate rule for homophobic slurs? And one for religious hate? And for mental capabilities?" These questions are completely valid on the premise that only one form of hateful language, that being towards race, just had a separate rule created for it.

Now let's have a look at the new 'Racial Slurs' rule:

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1. Warning
2. Site Ban

It's clear that the idea behind the violation structure is to have low tolerance for these type of slurs. I completely agree with the notion that slurs need to have low tolerance. However, this idea being limited to racial slurs alone makes it seem as though the potential behind this good idea of low tolerance is being placed improperly. I feel like this idea would be better applied simply to the 'Hateful Comments' rule itself, which would help to mitigate all types of hateful comments and language, not just racial slurs. This would include having a 6 month violation expiry for all hateful comments and in the 'Hateful Comments' rule, not just for racial slurs and in the 'Racial Slurs' rule.

I argue that instead of creating a new rule dedicated solely to racial slurs, simply modify the 'Hateful Comments' rule into something such as:

Hateful Comments

Any form of hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, ableism, mental capabilities, as well as other personal circumstances.

Expires in 6 months

1. 24 Hour Suspension
2. 24 Hour Huspension AND Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
3. Site Ban

OR

1. Warning OR 24 Hour Suspension AND Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
2. Site Ban.

Whichever the moderator staff & lucid wish to implement.

In this way, the idea of having very low tolerance on all types of slurs is better justified. Note also that "severe or excessive" is removed, and "ableism" is added in. I admit that I am not the greatest writer, so if there are ideas in regards to this I think I speak for everybody when I say that we would be more than happy to entertain them. Also the second violation structure option may seem harsh, but at the same time, we do not want people who are going to break this rule more than twice on this website at all. The moderator staff can implement whichever of the two violation structures they see fit in accordance with lucid and his ideas for the website; but the idea here remains the same regardless of whichever violation structure is ultimately chosen.

The other option is to have 'Racial Slurs' violations count towards your number of 'Hateful Comments' violations. For example, Player1 has 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, and 1 'Hateful Comments' violation. A 2nd 'Hateful Comments' violation would lead to a site ban, because they already have 1 'Racial Slurs' violation which counts towards that total as well (or they would already be banned if the second violation structure in the revised 'Hateful Comments' rule was implemented). If this were not to be implemented, it would be possible for a user to have 2 'Hateful Comments' violations, 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, and still be unbanned. This doesn't seem to make sense, since 3 'Hateful Comments' violations would lead to a Site Ban... This is how we should structure these rules, as right now, we have a 1 violation maximum for 'Racial Slurs' before a ban, and a 3 violation maximum for 'Hateful Comments' before a ban. Racial slurs are hateful comments, so this simply doesn't make any sense.

The problem with this however is that it still doesn't implement an equal violation counter type of structure in regards to other types of hateful language or comments involving sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances. For example, using hateful language/comments or a slur towards any of the domains I just mentioned would still currently be a 2 violation maximum before a ban, while using hateful language/comments or a slur towards race is at a 1 violation maximum. Hateful language/comments towards all of the domains in the 'Hateful Comments' rule should be equal, and they should all count towards each others' maximum (i.e. So you don't have a user with 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, 1 'Sexist Slurs' violation, 1 'Ableist Slurs' violation, etc., if each domain hypothetically had a separate rule). But the idea of having a separate rule for all of these different domains seems a bit silly, when we could have one rule that incorporates them all with the same low-tolerance that they all would and should have if they were separate. And guess what? We already do, and it's the 'Hateful Comments' rule. It seems easier to just implement the 2nd violation structure for the revised 'Hateful Comments' rule above rather than deal with all of this and rather than creating a new rule ('Racial Slurs'), especially when the idea here is the same and is shared by (or should be shared by) everybody: There must be a lower tolerance towards all hateful comments and language.

P.S. The "No" option in the poll should say "No, I am not for this." instead of "No, I do not like this.". I'd want the Yes and No options to have equivalent wording if I could edit the options over.

tl;dr: There is no need for the 'Racial Slurs' rule. Revising the 'Hateful Comments' rule & its violation structure is better implementation for mods/lucid wanting to lower tolerance on hateful comments in general.

I'd like to know what you think. Please say why you voted what you voted in a post, thank you.
23
Yes, I am for this.
16
No, I do not like this.
5
Other
about 6 years

Zhuorb says


blacksnakemoan says

i deleted all the crap from the blizzard filter and reduced it to slurs etc

https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn

they had stuff like vomit and turd and fubar in there lmao



blacksnakemoan says

i deleted all the crap from the blizzard filter and reduced it to slurs etc

https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn

they had stuff like vomit and turd and fubar in there lmao


once again, niggar-dly is not a slur


crowdfund sending zhuorb to southside chicago so he can use this word in his daily life and prove a point
about 6 years
It's not, but when a user is deliberately using a word similar to a slur to bypass the rules then that's another matter
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

i deleted all the crap from the blizzard filter and reduced it to slurs etc

https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn

they had stuff like vomit and turd and fubar in there lmao



blacksnakemoan says

i deleted all the crap from the blizzard filter and reduced it to slurs etc

https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn

they had stuff like vomit and turd and fubar in there lmao


once again, niggar-dly is not a slur
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

i deleted all the crap from the blizzard filter and reduced it to slurs etc

https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn

they had stuff like vomit and turd and fubar in there lmao


Just went through it and this honestly looks good as a filtering list
about 6 years
i deleted all the crap from the blizzard filter and reduced it to slurs etc

https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn

they had stuff like vomit and turd and fubar in there lmao
about 6 years

admin says

also i think if someone types in too much capital letters, i should shrink the font by half the size


this is an excellent idea
I like the intent, but how about coding it so lines with >40% caps just get changed to all lowercase
about 6 years

Songin says


As for censored words, here's the direct link to list schwartz posted:
https://github.com/dkoontz-blizzard/profanity-filter/blob/master/src/config/config.php



blizzard's list is somewhat dumb
for example- niggar-dly is not racist nor has its etymological roots in any thing near the same as n****r
about 6 years
lesbian is not a slur what r u on about u absolute nutcase
deletedabout 6 years
if you changed dyke: you need to change lesbianpirate also and many others
about 6 years
hello admin i will beef u honour dZkE with a response now u homophobe it is what he deserves.
about 6 years
It's Joke
about 6 years

dzke says

please change my username back

also please unban me from your minecraft server lucid


wow that homophobia

imagine trying to reclaim a word and having SJW shut you down because they're so up their own áss they're actually working against their cause
about 6 years
Imagine being white knight of slur and wondering why game feels christian.
about 6 years
please change my username back

also please unban me from your minecraft server lucid
about 6 years

view says

will the hooker role be changed as well


shít does this mean I can't use my :hoe: emote? or use the word whóre?
about 6 years
Make everything fair game except persistent harassment and blatant racism (only because I know people would get annoying with that one).
about 6 years
will the hooker role be changed as well
about 6 years
this is a christian game now
about 6 years
changing dykesz name is dumb why do u hate lesbians for u smelly dumb incel
about 6 years
How is autistic a slur....thats like saying addict is a slur or diabetic. autism is a medical condition.

Is calling someone fat a slur?

EDIT: this is so out of hand :FP:

EDIT2: If you guys are going to censor Dzke's name..go all the way..everyone and their momma still know its Dkye
about 6 years

4rtistic says

Honest question : is 4ustistic is a slur even tho 1 letter is changed?


Yes.
about 6 years
why did you do this to me

what atrocity have i committed
about 6 years
Add the caps thing as a toggle-able option and not something permanent. I actually don't mind caps lock at all

For debatable stuff like this just add the options as toggle-able (like as options in the gear in the bottom right of games) since you're not going to find a proper consensus from the 10 people who are online/in the forums to respond to these ideas when they're mentioned. That way everybody is happy since a game-related change isn't being -forced- upon them
about 6 years

Songin says

I could argue against forums and comments though. Would suck if typing a long forum post and you use a word that you didn't know was filtered, and end up having the entire thing replaced.


Hang on, the point of this is that there are words people shouldn't be using. Who cares if a long forum post gets changed because of it, that's their problem.

I'd say filter slurs and that's it. Don't filter swear words.
about 6 years

cowboy says

tho i guess it would be a nice buffer if they realized they were only arguing in caps, and would have to repeat what they said more "calmly"

it depends on the group. i can see the small text being used as an advantage for people who want to make the game more difficult too.


the point is if they should just stop yelling