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Revising The Hateful Comments Rule

over 6 years

I really like what I'm seeing with lucid (admin) being more active again. He brings with him the opportunity to make changes, as he owns the website and does all the coding. But before making big changes to the website and to rules, it's important to discuss the changes properly. Now I'm in no way implying that this doesn't get done or hasn't been done recently, but there are just a couple of things which I feel might have been overlooked amongst the changes. I feel like the ideas and progression have the right mindset, but that they've been just a little misplaced/misguided.

I'm talking about the new 'Racial Slurs' rule. The idea behind its creation, I'll infer, is to punish racial slurs heavily. There's no problem with that idea at all, it's great. But consider for a moment the 'Hateful Comments' rule:

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Expires in 3 months

1. Warning
2. 12 Hour Suspension and 24 Hour Forum Suspension
3. 24 Hour Suspension and Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
4. Site Ban

This rule seems to already encompass the idea of the 'Racial Slurs' rule. It says "based on race" among other things in the rule already.

Creating a new rule dedicated solely to racial slurs raises the question: "Why not create a separate rule for homophobic slurs? And one for religious hate? And for mental capabilities?" These questions are completely valid on the premise that only one form of hateful language, that being towards race, just had a separate rule created for it.

Now let's have a look at the new 'Racial Slurs' rule:

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1. Warning
2. Site Ban

It's clear that the idea behind the violation structure is to have low tolerance for these type of slurs. I completely agree with the notion that slurs need to have low tolerance. However, this idea being limited to racial slurs alone makes it seem as though the potential behind this good idea of low tolerance is being placed improperly. I feel like this idea would be better applied simply to the 'Hateful Comments' rule itself, which would help to mitigate all types of hateful comments and language, not just racial slurs. This would include having a 6 month violation expiry for all hateful comments and in the 'Hateful Comments' rule, not just for racial slurs and in the 'Racial Slurs' rule.

I argue that instead of creating a new rule dedicated solely to racial slurs, simply modify the 'Hateful Comments' rule into something such as:

Hateful Comments

Any form of hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, ableism, mental capabilities, as well as other personal circumstances.

Expires in 6 months

1. 24 Hour Suspension
2. 24 Hour Huspension AND Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
3. Site Ban

OR

1. Warning OR 24 Hour Suspension AND Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
2. Site Ban.

Whichever the moderator staff & lucid wish to implement.

In this way, the idea of having very low tolerance on all types of slurs is better justified. Note also that "severe or excessive" is removed, and "ableism" is added in. I admit that I am not the greatest writer, so if there are ideas in regards to this I think I speak for everybody when I say that we would be more than happy to entertain them. Also the second violation structure option may seem harsh, but at the same time, we do not want people who are going to break this rule more than twice on this website at all. The moderator staff can implement whichever of the two violation structures they see fit in accordance with lucid and his ideas for the website; but the idea here remains the same regardless of whichever violation structure is ultimately chosen.

The other option is to have 'Racial Slurs' violations count towards your number of 'Hateful Comments' violations. For example, Player1 has 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, and 1 'Hateful Comments' violation. A 2nd 'Hateful Comments' violation would lead to a site ban, because they already have 1 'Racial Slurs' violation which counts towards that total as well (or they would already be banned if the second violation structure in the revised 'Hateful Comments' rule was implemented). If this were not to be implemented, it would be possible for a user to have 2 'Hateful Comments' violations, 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, and still be unbanned. This doesn't seem to make sense, since 3 'Hateful Comments' violations would lead to a Site Ban... This is how we should structure these rules, as right now, we have a 1 violation maximum for 'Racial Slurs' before a ban, and a 3 violation maximum for 'Hateful Comments' before a ban. Racial slurs are hateful comments, so this simply doesn't make any sense.

The problem with this however is that it still doesn't implement an equal violation counter type of structure in regards to other types of hateful language or comments involving sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances. For example, using hateful language/comments or a slur towards any of the domains I just mentioned would still currently be a 2 violation maximum before a ban, while using hateful language/comments or a slur towards race is at a 1 violation maximum. Hateful language/comments towards all of the domains in the 'Hateful Comments' rule should be equal, and they should all count towards each others' maximum (i.e. So you don't have a user with 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, 1 'Sexist Slurs' violation, 1 'Ableist Slurs' violation, etc., if each domain hypothetically had a separate rule). But the idea of having a separate rule for all of these different domains seems a bit silly, when we could have one rule that incorporates them all with the same low-tolerance that they all would and should have if they were separate. And guess what? We already do, and it's the 'Hateful Comments' rule. It seems easier to just implement the 2nd violation structure for the revised 'Hateful Comments' rule above rather than deal with all of this and rather than creating a new rule ('Racial Slurs'), especially when the idea here is the same and is shared by (or should be shared by) everybody: There must be a lower tolerance towards all hateful comments and language.

P.S. The "No" option in the poll should say "No, I am not for this." instead of "No, I do not like this.". I'd want the Yes and No options to have equivalent wording if I could edit the options over.

tl;dr: There is no need for the 'Racial Slurs' rule. Revising the 'Hateful Comments' rule & its violation structure is better implementation for mods/lucid wanting to lower tolerance on hateful comments in general.

I'd like to know what you think. Please say why you voted what you voted in a post, thank you.
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Yes, I am for this.
16
No, I do not like this.
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Other
over 6 years

view says


view says

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Nothing said there is bad, well except for the witch hunt response
over 6 years

view says

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over 6 years
what do you guys think about pedophilia? is it right or wrong?
over 6 years
over 6 years
Cantankerous lives up to his name lol

P.S. I think we could all love blister for the execution of this bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlDApU6uyOg
over 6 years
I think if a slur is used, the offended minority party holds a council meeting and decides if that person is spared or not. We'd build communities.
over 6 years

Flygon says


Moldyches says


Flygon says


Blister says

i'm wondering why it is the mods decided the site NEEDS stricter HC moderation... did someone kick up a big stink?


dude go back to masturbating at playgrounds


Um, yeah thats a very good example of INTENDED HC, as we all know that we don't say that to ppl unless we are INTENTIONALLY trying to start problems (fr someone report that guy)


he's a literal admitted pedophile but go off my dude


a 19 year old flirting with a 16 year old is not paedophilia my friend
over 6 years
I believe HC can't be fixed until moderators are fixed
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Flygon says

hey report me for this but a lot of people on the site want you to drink bleach and i'm fine with being the voice for that

i speak for the entire mod team and admins when i say that everyone wanted you banned and would be fine with you killing yourself because you're predatory racist pedophilic human garbage, i just simultaneously do not feel any sort of restraint in telling you that.

i hate to sound like a virtue signalling sjw but pedophiles like _____ don't deserve to feel safe on this site and i'm fine with getting an imaginary rule infraction for that

also i hate to drag _____ into this but i know you were constantly complaining about me posting and reminding the site that you're a pedophile to her and wanted to report me for harassment, so here's your free vio. you're a pedophile, you are a hideous human being, i hope you choke to death asap.

i'm not exaggerating when i say a very large portion of the community passively feels the exact way i do and no one is willing to put themselves out on a limb to say it. fu ck a fake friend i'll do it




^is currently moderated less harshly than calling someone a nig.
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h o l y f u c k
over 6 years
hello i voted other bc i didn't read so i don't know what to think

- a helpful user of the community
over 6 years

xxerox says

well i mean it is from the brain xD Same places light up.

But it would be just uncofortable to say that gay people are mentally ill now cos ppls dont relaly think that way. So either pedophilia is a mental desiase and all gay and etc. people are too, or its not.


So i really think you are hard trolling us here.


You cant say different things about pedophiles and gays :) Either say the same about both or shut the up xD


Did you even read what I said? This is blatantly untrue. Just because two things are similar in brain function doesn't make them similar in society. The brain, and life itself, is generally evil, and we have to mitigate it. Homosexuality isn't morally wrong because two adult men or women can consent. Acting on pedophilia, however, is highly wrong - children can't consent.

Saying that homosexuality is akin to pedophilia because they come from the same parts of the brain may be true in brain function, but "mental illness" is a word we use to describe *harmful* mental phenomenon, and that's where the two couldn't be any more different. You don't need to treat homosexuality, but you definitely need to treat pedophilia.
over 6 years
i didnt wana explain cos that means i am baiting.


xD better leave you alone. troll someone else ;P
over 6 years
well i mean it is from the brain xD Same places light up.

But it would be just uncofortable to say that gay people are mentally ill now cos ppls dont relaly think that way. So either pedophilia is a mental desiase and all gay and etc. people are too, or its not.


So i really think you are hard trolling us here.


You cant say different things about pedophiles and gays :) Either say the same about both or shut the up xD
over 6 years
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over 6 years

xxerox says


Carmen says


xxerox says

I am adding my meaningfull opinion in this meaningless converation.

You should be happy more than 1 person is paying attention to your bs.


Maybe explain why you disagree?? I'm not trolling, I only troll in-game for reads. I don't mess around when it comes to my philosophies.


Scientists proved that the thing that makes pedophiles atracted to children is the same thing that makes same gender people fall in love.

So all this time you are just saying LGBT people "mentally ill" which would probs drive them insane and start hating.


I mean, i understands, but its not nice thing to do to troll like that.... Pedophilia is actually just like any kind of love. It is not from the brain but an evolutional left-over.

Some consider that gay people are here because the earth is over-populated and thats a bio mechanism.

Lot of things can be said tho. No one knows for sure.


but one thing is for sure: Pedophilia is not a mental illness unless you start calling every gay person mentally ill xD


It's a mental illness because it's bad for society. You can't normalize pedophilia as a sexual orientation even if it comes from the same place as homo/heterosexuality (which is itself debatable) because the result of that condition is inherently immoral. Children can't consent and acting on an attraction to them is immoral for this reason + the lasting effects of (even requited) sexual exposure as a child.

Homosexuality isn't a mental illness because there's nothing "ill" - wrong - about it. Pedophilia can't be condoned, a treatment/cure has to be found, and thus it's an illness.
over 6 years

Carmen says


xxerox says

I am adding my meaningfull opinion in this meaningless converation.

You should be happy more than 1 person is paying attention to your bs.


Maybe explain why you disagree?? I'm not trolling, I only troll in-game for reads. I don't mess around when it comes to my philosophies.


Scientists proved that the thing that makes pedophiles atracted to children is the same thing that makes same gender people fall in love.

So all this time you are just saying LGBT people are "mentally ill" which would probs drive them insane and start hating.


I mean, i understands, but its not nice thing to do to troll like that.... Pedophilia is actually just like any kind of love. It is not from the brain but an evolutional left-over.

Some consider that gay people are here because the earth is over-populated and thats a bio mechanism.

Lot of things can be said tho. No one knows for sure.


but one thing is for sure: Pedophilia is not a mental illness unless you start calling every gay person mentally ill xD
over 6 years
Ignoring the idiot posts on this page, no, I don't trust you when you say someone should die.

Weirdly enough I don't like people telling other people to kill themselves, and I don't do it myself, despite how harsh I may otherwise be.

Anyone who suggests something like that is hardly credible.
over 6 years

xxerox says

I am adding my meaningfull opinion in this meaningless converation.

You should be happy more than 1 person is paying attention to your bs.


Maybe explain why you disagree?? I'm not trolling, I only troll in-game for reads. I don't mess around when it comes to my philosophies.
over 6 years
I am adding my meaningfull opinion in this meaningless converation.

You should be happy more than 1 person is paying attention to your bs.
over 6 years

xxerox says

two trolls trying to outroll each other in an endless battle. Flygon is winning tho.


You're adding absolutely nothing here, please stop the spam
over 6 years
two trolls trying to outroll each other in an endless battle. Flygon is winning tho.
over 6 years
I don't hate mentally ill people, but pedophilia is a mental illness that has cataclysmic consequences if not treated. And apparently arguing for a treatment instead of arguing for a noose makes you a pedo, too.
over 6 years
wow how EXTREMELY ABLEIST of u carmen, didn't know u hated mentally ill ppl so much............