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Revising The Hateful Comments Rule

about 6 years

I really like what I'm seeing with lucid (admin) being more active again. He brings with him the opportunity to make changes, as he owns the website and does all the coding. But before making big changes to the website and to rules, it's important to discuss the changes properly. Now I'm in no way implying that this doesn't get done or hasn't been done recently, but there are just a couple of things which I feel might have been overlooked amongst the changes. I feel like the ideas and progression have the right mindset, but that they've been just a little misplaced/misguided.

I'm talking about the new 'Racial Slurs' rule. The idea behind its creation, I'll infer, is to punish racial slurs heavily. There's no problem with that idea at all, it's great. But consider for a moment the 'Hateful Comments' rule:

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Expires in 3 months

1. Warning
2. 12 Hour Suspension and 24 Hour Forum Suspension
3. 24 Hour Suspension and Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
4. Site Ban

This rule seems to already encompass the idea of the 'Racial Slurs' rule. It says "based on race" among other things in the rule already.

Creating a new rule dedicated solely to racial slurs raises the question: "Why not create a separate rule for homophobic slurs? And one for religious hate? And for mental capabilities?" These questions are completely valid on the premise that only one form of hateful language, that being towards race, just had a separate rule created for it.

Now let's have a look at the new 'Racial Slurs' rule:

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1. Warning
2. Site Ban

It's clear that the idea behind the violation structure is to have low tolerance for these type of slurs. I completely agree with the notion that slurs need to have low tolerance. However, this idea being limited to racial slurs alone makes it seem as though the potential behind this good idea of low tolerance is being placed improperly. I feel like this idea would be better applied simply to the 'Hateful Comments' rule itself, which would help to mitigate all types of hateful comments and language, not just racial slurs. This would include having a 6 month violation expiry for all hateful comments and in the 'Hateful Comments' rule, not just for racial slurs and in the 'Racial Slurs' rule.

I argue that instead of creating a new rule dedicated solely to racial slurs, simply modify the 'Hateful Comments' rule into something such as:

Hateful Comments

Any form of hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, ableism, mental capabilities, as well as other personal circumstances.

Expires in 6 months

1. 24 Hour Suspension
2. 24 Hour Huspension AND Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
3. Site Ban

OR

1. Warning OR 24 Hour Suspension AND Forum, Comment, and Chat Ban
2. Site Ban.

Whichever the moderator staff & lucid wish to implement.

In this way, the idea of having very low tolerance on all types of slurs is better justified. Note also that "severe or excessive" is removed, and "ableism" is added in. I admit that I am not the greatest writer, so if there are ideas in regards to this I think I speak for everybody when I say that we would be more than happy to entertain them. Also the second violation structure option may seem harsh, but at the same time, we do not want people who are going to break this rule more than twice on this website at all. The moderator staff can implement whichever of the two violation structures they see fit in accordance with lucid and his ideas for the website; but the idea here remains the same regardless of whichever violation structure is ultimately chosen.

The other option is to have 'Racial Slurs' violations count towards your number of 'Hateful Comments' violations. For example, Player1 has 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, and 1 'Hateful Comments' violation. A 2nd 'Hateful Comments' violation would lead to a site ban, because they already have 1 'Racial Slurs' violation which counts towards that total as well (or they would already be banned if the second violation structure in the revised 'Hateful Comments' rule was implemented). If this were not to be implemented, it would be possible for a user to have 2 'Hateful Comments' violations, 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, and still be unbanned. This doesn't seem to make sense, since 3 'Hateful Comments' violations would lead to a Site Ban... This is how we should structure these rules, as right now, we have a 1 violation maximum for 'Racial Slurs' before a ban, and a 3 violation maximum for 'Hateful Comments' before a ban. Racial slurs are hateful comments, so this simply doesn't make any sense.

The problem with this however is that it still doesn't implement an equal violation counter type of structure in regards to other types of hateful language or comments involving sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances. For example, using hateful language/comments or a slur towards any of the domains I just mentioned would still currently be a 2 violation maximum before a ban, while using hateful language/comments or a slur towards race is at a 1 violation maximum. Hateful language/comments towards all of the domains in the 'Hateful Comments' rule should be equal, and they should all count towards each others' maximum (i.e. So you don't have a user with 1 'Racial Slurs' violation, 1 'Sexist Slurs' violation, 1 'Ableist Slurs' violation, etc., if each domain hypothetically had a separate rule). But the idea of having a separate rule for all of these different domains seems a bit silly, when we could have one rule that incorporates them all with the same low-tolerance that they all would and should have if they were separate. And guess what? We already do, and it's the 'Hateful Comments' rule. It seems easier to just implement the 2nd violation structure for the revised 'Hateful Comments' rule above rather than deal with all of this and rather than creating a new rule ('Racial Slurs'), especially when the idea here is the same and is shared by (or should be shared by) everybody: There must be a lower tolerance towards all hateful comments and language.

P.S. The "No" option in the poll should say "No, I am not for this." instead of "No, I do not like this.". I'd want the Yes and No options to have equivalent wording if I could edit the options over.

tl;dr: There is no need for the 'Racial Slurs' rule. Revising the 'Hateful Comments' rule & its violation structure is better implementation for mods/lucid wanting to lower tolerance on hateful comments in general.

I'd like to know what you think. Please say why you voted what you voted in a post, thank you.
23
Yes, I am for this.
16
No, I do not like this.
5
Other
deletedabout 6 years
Thanks for givin more fuel to the fire flygon, enjoy the vio.
about 6 years
i speak for the entire mod team and admins when i say that everyone wanted you banned and would be fine with you killing yourself because you're predatory racist pedophilic human garbage, i just simultaneously do not feel any sort of restraint in telling you that.
about 6 years
I knew this thread was going to turn spicy at some point but it's now Red Hot in a few short posts
deletedabout 6 years
Listen flygon, no1 said anythin about treating them alike but legit your comment was uncalled for, that guy didn't do sht to you and yet u trying to start something
about 6 years
hey blister report me for this but a lot of people on the site want you to drink bleach and i'm fine with being the voice for that
about 6 years
i cant believe i read all that
deletedabout 6 years
So by telling him to "masturbate a playgrounds" u think that that should be allowed on this site? Trying to start conflict with other players?
about 6 years
it's really shocking to me that people like carmen and blister are able to claim to be pedophiles and expect to be treated with anything other than scorn and revulsion. very inch resting i think.
about 6 years

Moldyches says


Flygon says


Blister says

i'm wondering why it is the mods decided the site NEEDS stricter HC moderation... did someone kick up a big stink?


dude go back to masturbating at playgrounds


Um, yeah thats a very good example of INTENDED HC, as we all know that we don't say that to ppl unless we are INTENTIONALLY trying to start problems (fr someone report that guy)


he's a literal admitted pedophile but go off my dude
deletedabout 6 years

Flygon says


Blister says

i'm wondering why it is the mods decided the site NEEDS stricter HC moderation... did someone kick up a big stink?


dude go back to masturbating at playgrounds


Um, yeah thats a very good example of INTENDED HC, as we all know that we don't say that to ppl unless we are INTENTIONALLY trying to start problems (fr someone report that guy)
deletedabout 6 years
In my opinion, it all comes down to the context of the situation. Someone in a game could easily say "N*ga tf lol" and not be intentionally offensive. Whereas you have someone saying "You can't scumhunt bc your a stupid ni**er." As for the R slur, i believe it should be a warning and THEN ban. Not an insta ban bc thats stupid. Again someone saying "Im not re***ded lol" as oppose to "You f*cking re***d" are two defnitely different scenarios and i think ppl may abuse the report system and just spam it with "Oh HC because he used the "N" word once during pregame". Fr i think they should be harsher, but....alot can go wrong and potentially be abused with this system
about 6 years

xxerox says


Flygon says

honest to god giga you're a nice dude but any time you make a post over 50 words long i know it's gonna be bad

hateful comments just needs to be modded stricter and now that nathan is dead people are realizing we can do that


When did Nathan die?


when i snatched his wig
about 6 years

Blister says

i'm wondering why it is the mods decided the site NEEDS stricter HC moderation... did someone kick up a big stink?


dude go back to masturbating at playgrounds
about 6 years

Flygon says

honest to god giga you're a nice dude but any time you make a post over 50 words long i know it's gonna be bad

hateful comments just needs to be modded stricter and now that nathan is dead people are realizing we can do that


When did Nathan die?
about 6 years
you can't make people ont he site better, you can't fix some people thinking slurs are okay, but you can ban them, and that should be enough
about 6 years
honest to god giga you're a nice dude but any time you make a post over 50 words long i know it's gonna be bad

hateful comments just needs to be modded stricter and now that nathan is dead people are realizing we can do that
about 6 years

Songin says


admin says

wow you guys... does this really need any debate?


People want to find a work around to being racist.


My take on it is all slurs should be met with zero tolerance. Let's stop allowing people to call others "r e t a r d" or "a u t i s t i c" or even "c r a c k e r". It's simple - be polite and don't be a giant d*ckhead, or get banned. Prevents mods from using wildly subjective opinions of what is offensive. All of that sh*t is offensive. This is a game, where a big portion of the userbase is children/teenagers, who are 1. more likely to be offensive and 2. more likely to be offended/iinfluenced.

How difficult is it to enforce for everyone to just be PG13 and f*cking respectful?
about 6 years

Blister says

i'm wondering why it is the mods decided the site NEEDS stricter HC moderation... did someone kick up a big stink?


Gulag, complaints forums.
about 6 years
r*tard
verb
past tense: ; past participle: r*tarded
/rɪˈtɑːd/Submit
delay or hold back in terms of progress or development.

Explain why should I be punished for using this word
about 6 years
i'm wondering why it is the mods decided the site NEEDS stricter HC moderation... did someone kick up a big stink?
about 6 years
let this be a warning to u all. u cannot call me autistic because my doctor tested me and i dont have it. so if u call me autistic u WILL be vio'd. watch urselves.
deletedabout 6 years
why not censor/replace slurs( in-game & forums) with different words?
about 6 years
Lucid:

The biggest issue with Hateful Comments (sometimes even Harassment) is that each new administration enforces them differently.

Some administrators tell moderators to be more lenient regarding slurs and insults and other ones tell the moderators to have a "no tolerance" policy.

You need to figure out a way to get everyone to enforce the rules and distribute punishments CONSISTENTLY.

Everyone is always confused because it seems as if the rules (unspoken) change all the time.
about 6 years

admin says

wow you guys... does this really need any debate?


I'm just providing ideas to make the rules better in regards to what you want for your website, which is lower tolerance. If you don't want to change anything, that's fine. This is just me giving my opinion and ideas to try and make the site a better place for everybody. I appreciate your time.
about 6 years

admin says

wow you guys... does this really need any debate?


People want to find a work around to being racist.