Epicmafia

Public Defense

about 6 years

I'm showing all my cards here.

I've got all the messages between Pond and I from the entire round and afterwards, and I've got a long- pastebin.

I was going to weave the PMs into my timeline, but motherf*ck if I just don't want to work any more on this. Piece it together yourself. You can start with the messages and then read the pastebin or you can start with the pastebin and then read the messages.

Enjoy.

https://pastebin.com/JiqWs3ks my entire argument

https://imgur.com/a/LVXJxpL epic mafia private messages

https://imgur.com/a/e5ZktRa screenshots of EM password room. Funny thing is I only screenshotted them at the time cause I realized it looked sketchy we were in a locked room together right after I sniped gold.

https://imgur.com/a/wWTcwzj discord chat picture evidence

https://pastebin.com/4UsCUfw5 discord chat copy/pastebin

https://imgur.com/a/A6hgSug random unrelated pictures of skippy copping to can't-read-shady-itis [every argument needs a red herring]

EDIT:

Since Kawaii posted a pastebin about thirty minutes before I posted my response, I didn't have a chance to read it. It is much more reasonable than the comically misleading original one.

Here is Kawaii's: https://pastebin.com/KaYGz8yn

Here is original: https://pastebin.com/nGMb3TVG

SECOND EDIT:

Since I originally posted this, the conversation has developed into whether Pond committed OGI or not. I staunchly believe he did not. The central point of the accusations centers around a few games where he seemed to instantly townread me. Here is his explanation for each, which he has commented on this thread:

https://pastebin.com/Sfheg6mK

FINAL EDIT:

We're free. Pond ended up getting an OGI vio. I don't think the process or approach of the moderation team was a success here at all, but I do know the verdict was. Cheers.

groundhogday

about 6 years

Magician says

groundhogday says

Magician says

matt says

What about having a bulbous brain

doctors originally said my gargantuan brain was cause for suspicion but then i told them it's just because i play mafia

did u explain the jrpg micropenis

when are the cops gonna find her body

Magician says

groundhogday says

Magician says

matt says

What about having a bulbous brain

doctors originally said my gargantuan brain was cause for suspicion but then i told them it's just because i play mafia

did u explain the jrpg micropenis

when are the cops gonna find her body

im sure ill handle it better than when mom finds ur hentai

Wajjj

about 6 years

jesus walks

deletedabout 6 years

groundhogday says

Magician says

matt says

What about having a bulbous brain

doctors originally said my gargantuan brain was cause for suspicion but then i told them it's just because i play mafia

did u explain the jrpg micropenis

when are the cops gonna find her body

retiree

about 6 years

Just so you know how other feel: I felt like a victim to a meta abuse when you tr/sheep someone without question and it ruins the game for me and it is making it super hard even impossible as maf (that is like extra clear).
That aside I think it was not cheating and Pond do that unintentionally but I am not so sure about shady12, I think he just was taking advantage of it and he should have stopped it. I think that the OGI vio and dq is fair.
I am here to play the game and have fun, this kinds of things ruins it.
I hope in the future you will learn to scumread and hammer your friend once in a while and not insta tr/clear him and I hope you will have the same feeling for the game because this is a game when you make the team after the game start not before...
There are couples here playing together and trying to read each other in game and hammering/scumreading each other. They never n1 tho and that is acceptable in red hearts IMO. Just saying.

shady12

about 6 years

Songnear says

Anyone who thinks they intentionally cheated, or are arguing that "they definitely did not cheat" haven't read any of the discussion that was had. It's not a question of if they cheated, it's a question of were Pond's TRs on shady legitimately based on the content of the individual game, or were they based on excessive meta.

Pond says

here's some insight into some of the townreads on shady people have been suspicious of

https://pastebin.com/Sfheg6mK

Looking at these in regards to the games, I can actually seem them as possibly being legit. There's also the analysis given by Kawaii, in which we see that Pond's confidence over the course of the round decrease, and a few lines in the last couple of games stand out as him not being as certain of shady being town as before.

With these two factors, I feel as though it wasn't so much of him going "Shady is my friend so I TR him" but rather him having difficulty reading him as scum, so he naturally TRs him. This is backed up by games 6717271 and 6717277, and a short summary can be read in Kawaii's pastebin.

Essentially with the responses + other people's analysis, I do think that the method Pond took in TRing shady wasn't a smart idea, but wasn't based on a meta of TRing his friends, but rather an inability to properly read him, and naturally townreading the actions shady takes. I can personally support this by saying that shady is a good player, and can see why someone might think this.

Yes dude. This is the story I have been trying to tell. This is the reality Pond and I lived during the round.

JM123

about 6 years

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Songnear

about 6 years

Anyone who thinks they intentionally cheated, or are arguing that "they definitely did not cheat" haven't read any of the discussion that was had. It's not a question of if they cheated, it's a question of were Pond's TRs on shady legitimately based on the content of the individual game, or were they based on excessive meta.

Pond says

here's some insight into some of the townreads on shady people have been suspicious of

https://pastebin.com/Sfheg6mK

Looking at these in regards to the games, I can actually seem them as possibly being legit. There's also the analysis given by Kawaii, in which we see that Pond's confidence over the course of the round decrease, and a few lines in the last couple of games stand out as him not being as certain of shady being town as before.

With these two factors, I feel as though it wasn't so much of him going "Shady is my friend so I TR him" but rather him having difficulty reading him as scum, so he naturally TRs him. This is backed up by games 6717271 and 6717277, and a short summary can be read in Kawaii's pastebin.

Essentially with the responses + other people's analysis, I do think that the method Pond took in TRing shady wasn't a smart idea, but wasn't based on a meta of TRing his friends, but rather an inability to properly read him, and naturally townreading the actions shady takes. I can personally support this by saying that shady is a good player, and can see why someone might think this.

schutzekatze

about 6 years

I'm having a hard time understanding how you people are motivated enough to spend so much time on issues like these.

I hope shady gets his trophy though, he's cool to play with.

groundhogday

about 6 years

Magician says

matt says

What about having a bulbous brain

doctors originally said my gargantuan brain was cause for suspicion but then i told them it's just because i play mafia

did u explain the jrpg micropenis

deletedabout 6 years

matt says