lmao life is sacred? says who? america puts people to death regularly. there are countries that put people to death for drug crimes. there are countries that sentence women to death for being . life isn't sacred.
america killed half a million iraqis to take down Saddam Hussein. canada helped them. there are over a thousand first nations women in canada who have gone missing (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/08/04/the-mystery-of-1000-missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-in-canada/) and no one cares about. life isn't sacred.
i didn't say that's why he's an arsehole. i said he's an arse bc he made a blanket statement about people who commit suicide being weak and cowardly, and dismissed their pain purely bc he was able to get through his trauma.
very specifically stated in an earlier post that we're only talking about mentally ill people.
i was responding to your question about why we don't empathise with paedophiles and school shooters. if you read it again, you'll see i did answer you.
IT'S NOT REMOTELY THE SAME DEVANTE
school shooters don't wake up and think "oh god i need to shoot up the school it's the only option i have"
paedophiles don't wake up and think "let's go touch kids because nothing else is possible"
not only do both of those behaviours include doing harm to OTHER people, they are VOLUNTARY choices, whereas the suicidal tendencies of a mentally ill person are a response to an untenable situation where suicide is the ONLY option.
IF YOU DO NOT HAVE MORE THAN ONE OPTION YOU CANNOT MAKE A CHOICE.
not everyone who kills themselves is mentally ill.
you didn't really answer my post, i'm actually not even sure what you were responding to with this response. What I was really trying to get across was the hypocracy in kerry's stance ;
Being mentally ill is not a choice - Agreed Being a pedophile is not a choice - Agreed
However taking ones own life is a choice shooting up a school is a choice R*ping children is a choice
So, yes we should have a little empathy for those who take their own life because life is sacred etc...
but just because someone is AGAINST taking your own life doesn't mean they're an AHole
similarly if you choose to shoot up a school or r*pe children and i shun you for it i am not an AHole
i didn't misinterpret anything Zhuorb. you said that suicide is a choice, and Kerry and i both pointed out that the nature of suicide means it isn't a choice in the regular way we would talk about choices.
then you decided to start talking about homicide and suicide for some stupid reason which has no bearing on this whatsoever
@devante suicide is a harm done to oneself, a school shooter/paedophilia is harm done to others. ending one's own life is considered in some areas a right you should have, and isn't something to be condemned, whereas ending another life is. also not all paedophiles and school shooters are mentally ill.
bsm can u respond to this, and explain why we don't sympathize with school shooters and pedophiles whom also suffer from some form of mental illnesses ?
I’d argue that outreach for a pedophile would be pretty hard.
I mean I’d much rather go to my fiancé / therapist or whatever and be like “I have been battling depression for xyz” opposed to “I have an attraction to children 1/4 my age”
They are different because in your mind they’re different, however neuroscience has revealed that an MRI scan of a person with depression is different of that of the norm
Coincidentally same with that of a pedophile
(I am not a neuroscientist so I won’t get into sht that I don’t understand, I was just trying to make you see why Reggie and I may have the perspective we do which is ultimately YOU have the choice no matter what)
and it's also a completely different matter. there are similarities in that for both; it is very difficult to seek help. but it should be brought up in another topic if you would like to discuss it
i know you're trying to insinuate that a paedophile making a choice to assault a child is the same thing as someone with depression ending their life. they are most certainly not the same thing
paedophiles don't choose being attracted to children, however, they most certainly choose to act on those desires and are 100% accountable.
to argue that suicide is a choice is to imply the person believes they had any other options. when there is a stigma behind seeking help for mental health illnesses it becomes far more difficult to attain that help. when emotional pain far exceeds individual methods of coping, then... we get people who feel their only "option" is to take their lives
