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Classic Mafia Debate 2

over 6 years

The moderators are forbidding me from comping Classic Mafia (along with other variants such as Fancy Pants) because it is "uncompetitive". While it's on the mods to provide proof that it's uncompetitive, they have not done so, so I would like to start a poll and debate on whether or not this setup is comp worthy.

My vote is "yes". There is a huge skill gap in Classic Mafia. Some Classic players have 40% winrate, while some have 60% or more. You can't say that is all just luck, there is meta mindgames and scumhunting involved, and good report faking is a must.

Should Classic Mafia be allowed in competitive?
31
Yes
10
No
over 6 years
I am going to bed. I expect an argument or permission to put up Classic when I get back or I quit this game.
over 6 years
It's just too one dimensional. It's not a scumhunting setup like Cry'n'Spy, because there's a cop. So people use the cop as a crutch to carry them through.

The only mafia play is to CC cop, or not cc cop. If they hit blue and don't cc cop, it's p much town auto. If they do CC cop it becomes a coin flip bc no one talks in that setup and people rely on stupid meta like "that person typed inno before the name!"

If it was 10 people it'd be a lot better tbh, but as it is now, it's far too simple a game.
over 6 years

panthero says

If it is shorter than 5 minutes then it cant be allowed in comp. I think it is written somewhere.


Classic games definitely take longer than 5 minutes, lol. GnH can be shorter.
over 6 years
https://epicmafia.com/topic/84909

There are 0 rules in here about game length. The only thing it says is "moderator discretion", and you should only apply this towards setups that are clearly broken.

I spent around 20 hours of my life getting a trophy, and about 3 days of my life defending myself and posting personal information so I could keep that accomplishment. Now I can't use my award to comp this setup when there's 0 logical reasons for it to not be competitive?

And you won't even open a dialogue about it?
over 6 years
If it is shorter than 5 minutes then it cant be allowed in comp. I think it is written somewhere.
over 6 years
https://epicmafia.com/round/92 Classic is comped and 1000 competitive games are played. You're lucky if you even get 500 competitive games played right now.
over 6 years
80% of the people on this game or more only play Classic for a reason. You don't even want to try to court them into playing competitive by letting Classic be competitive.
over 6 years

charley says

apparently (according to johnreid) it was banned from comp because the games are to short.


So you should have to spend 3 hours a day on 40 minute games of "3 prs 3 maf" where every setup is the same?
over 6 years
Seriously though, the pregame of that game shows how intellectually bankrupt these mods are.

"I'll support GnH being comped but not classic." - Charley.

GnH is the definition of an uncompetitive setup. Depending on who is gunned and what report cop has, town can have easy autowin.

Classic is much more balanced. There's never an unwinnable situation for scum.

They have no logic. It's just horrible.
deletedover 6 years
apparently (according to johnreid) it was banned from comp because the games are to short.
over 6 years
ALL THEY SAY IS, "IT GOT BANNED A LONG TIME AGO DEAL WITH IT". THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY IT'S BANNED OR WHY IT'S UNCOMPETITIVE WHEN ITS ONE OF THE MOST BALANCED GAMES ON HERE
over 6 years
THEY WILL NOT EVEN TALK TO US.

THEY THINK THIS ISSUE IS BENEATH THEM BECAUSE ONLY USERS CARE ABOUT IT AND THE MODS DON'T CARE.

THE MODS ON THIS GAME ONLY CARE ABOUT DOING AS LITTLE WORK AS POSSIBLE. THEY DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MODERATE. ITS SAD.

NOBODY WHO CARES IS A MOD
over 6 years
Not on my watch.
over 6 years
EPICMAFIA IS A WASTE OF TIME. EVERYONE SHOULD QUIT. THE MODS ARE RUNNING IT INTO THE GROUND AND DONT CARE ABOUT THE USERS OR GROWING COMPETITIVE.
over 6 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/6540335/review LOOK AT THIS GAME LOG AND WHAT CHARLEY SAYS ABOUT THIS ISSUE

THIS IS PROOF THE MODS DONT CARE ABOUT US.
over 6 years
imma be honest

some of the classic mafia comped games in the round 90s were some of the most difficult games i've ever played

and they were a joy
over 6 years
I AM SO MAD THAT THE MODS THINK THEY'RE SO BETTER THAN THE REGULAR USERS THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY CLASSIC CAN'T BE COMP OR DEBUNK ARGUMENTS.

I MIGHT QUIT THIS GAME.
over 6 years
No, the person has to die.
over 6 years

The says

If gambler wins then the bp's vest takes a hit.


DOES IT COUNT AS A KILL FOR THEM?
deletedover 6 years
why is pranay' messy manhunt rules thread still stickies and how was manhunt suited better than classic
over 6 years
If gambler wins then the bp's vest takes a hit.
over 6 years

The says

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1466145

This is an objectively balanced an competitive setup, but with a small twist to bring some variation to the round.


DOES GAMBLER TRIGGER ON A BP HIT?
over 6 years

Nobody says

Hi jeff and Lacey, it’s been a while how are you two?


PLEASE MAN EXPLAIN TO US WHY CLASSIC ISN'T ALLOWED WHEN EVERYONE WANTS IT
over 6 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1466145

This is an objectively balanced an competitive setup, but with a small twist to bring some variation to the round.
over 6 years
Hi jeff and Lacey, it’s been a while how are you two?