The moderators are forbidding me from comping Classic Mafia (along with other variants such as Fancy Pants) because it is "uncompetitive". While it's on the mods to provide proof that it's uncompetitive, they have not done so, so I would like to start a poll and debate on whether or not this setup is comp worthy.
My vote is "yes". There is a huge skill gap in Classic Mafia. Some Classic players have 40% winrate, while some have 60% or more. You can't say that is all just luck, there is meta mindgames and scumhunting involved, and good report faking is a must.
Mods won’t comp Classic because it will bring too many new/bad/gt accounts into comp and will lead to the mods having to sift through hundreds of reports daily, that is why they won’t comp it
I think this is an interesting and useful discussion and I'm not opposed to classic being comped on its merits. Fancy pants or GnH I would say no since you can have auto d1.
If any of the other trophy winners want to argue about this they can. I'm just gonna pick my setups and log off. Got a distaste for this community (mostly the mods, yall are cool people) and I'm not gonna play again.
Also, classic does have scumhunting if cop dies n1. In alcoways, if tracker dies n1, town is up creek because scum can lead the game. If maf dies on a BG save n1, town will win. Its extremely swingy and not competitive at all.
In Classic scum can easily win out of a doc save with a good CC.
Real tracker can confirm themselves on BG in alcoways, they can find morts or blues to confirm themselves mechanically, they get a clear based on a mafia stalk. Classic is much more low-variance. There is basically no room for subtlely in Alcoways either, you always CC tracker unless BG dies.
Dude, you can't argue that shooting D1 in that setup is a viable strategy considering that you regularly dole out violations to anyone who does it. Even if it isn't a hipfire, town will lose with a d1 shot 90% of the time. If you don't believe me go read a bunch of games where someone shoots d1 and see the result.
Just because you can play suboptimally in a setup doesn't mean that it has any depth.
Here's a Classic strategy. Don't claim cop d1. Let scum claim, have them out innos and try to get them to inno you before you claim on d2. I'll probably get lynched d2 doing this strategy, but wow, I gave the setup depth.
If anything, the rigidity of Classic makes it more competitive, not less. Less chance to hide gt by pretending to play "suboptimally" and the SRing is measured in a controlled, low-variance environment.
Having more roles means different strategies are available.
Take the absolutely atrocious sheriff setup for example
D1: PRs can claim or hide. Sheriff can shoot/NL, shoot/lynch, or no shoot/NL. Mafia can attempt to make the PRs claim, or they can attempt to trick sheriff into shooting.
N1: BS can funvest or vest sheriff, attempting to predict a PR read by maf. Mafia can aim for a cop read, a BS read, or they can aim for sheriff and try to hook the BS. The lawyer and the hooker both provide different utilities at night which can change how it's played: three mafia can CC, and each has a different strength.
D2: PRs can claim or hide again, cops can have their CC war, mafia can influence the vote.
All of this is far more indepth than Classic, where both mafia are the same, they can do nothing but CC cop to avoid auto loss, and you can confidently predict the way 99% of games will be played. It's also the reason why we get plenty of reports on people in the sheriff setup for GTing bc they don't understand it, and we get plenty in the Classic setup bc people don't understand GTing.
Charley, here's an idea. Since you don't know the reason for Classic being banned, why don't you get the admin to come to the thread and make a statement about it? Isn't that more productive than being sarcastic and repeating the same nobody wants to hear over and over?
Scumhunting is not "multidimensional". If there are noobs in the game, they either towntell or town slip based on a few select tells that everyone who's played a bunch already knows, and reading others is just meta.
I'm sorry that I can't read your mind, and that I assumed a moderator wasn't being sarcastic to a user who's just trying to have an argument about a setup.
https://epicmafia.com/setup/730778 Dreamer claims d1, town lynches in dream. If Dreamer doesn't have a dream, town more often than not loses unless they lynch Enforcer.
Dude if you think i actually support guns and hookers being comped you're delusional lmao. Everything i said in that game was to get you to shut up and focus on the actual game. Classic was banned from comp years ago before i even played comp. I don't know the actual reason for it being banned it just is.
Just because something is "one-dimensional" doesn't mean that it isn't competitive. There are a bunch of setups that are "one-dimensional" that people play competitive.
Setup is bad and should not be played. Sheriff claims d1, nl, BS vest, shoot in claims or for hooker. How "one-dimensional."
This game is not as complicated as you make it out to be. It takes as much effort to do a cop cc in classic.
