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The Mods Are At It Again

about 6 years

Corrupt moderator blacksnakemoan has sent me and shounen a private message telling us not to play games with each other anymore, signing it with “your friendly mod team x”.

Besides the obvious passive aggressiveness dripping from that signature, the sanctions laid upon me and shounen are unjust and peak definition of this place being a toxic environment. It shows that even something like playing a round together with a specific person can result in suspension. It’s discriminatory and hurtful. Yes, we’ve played every round this comp together. No, we did NOT cheat. You can play a game with the same people and not cheat, you know. It’s called having friends. Not to forget, we were on opposite teams a lot of the time, and I’m not even in the top 28 anymore. Why are we being accused of something like this? We did nothing wrong.

Now's your chance to voice your opinion in the form of a poll. Is mod blacksnakemoan corrupt?
29
YES
5
NO
about 6 years
From my experience as a mod it was limited to how many games you could play with others to help keep it more competitive and that way it made it kinda fair because this was applied to everyone for quite a long time but after the while Kerry/Dave situation I’m not even sure
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https://epicmafia.com/round/113

48 with kerry and 11 with enamored. Total of 59. Sorry for saying 60. It is 59.
about 6 years

Giga13 says

If there's no report on them for meta abusing/cheating then mods should not be able to tell them to stop playing with each other. There needs to be compiled evidence with proof and it has to be made in a report before you tell two people to stop playing with each other. We can't just go around telling people to stop without providing evidence.

While I appreciate the mods' efforts since I used to do the same thing with these sorts of investigations, evidence should always have to be provided before telling two users to stop playing together.

Edit: They've played a lot of games together yes, but unless you can find evidence of them cheating then they shouldn't be suspended. If they continue to play together though and all you're doing is letting them know they will likely get investigated if they continue, then that's OK, but that's not what they have been told


First of all, this is a troll thread but to you guys posting: since when do mods have to write pastebins to stop friends playing 30 games with one another? It's always been handled this way. Even lasting into consecutive rounds. So players have been told not to play together at the beginning of a round where a pastebin obviously wouldn't of been possible

It's already asking a lot to write cheat bins (that result in vio's), but neglecting reports is worse. So many toss accounts roam free, for example melonf'ucker, a user with 5 open reports for throwing. He has outlasted the players involved here who knew they were pushing their luck (refer to the title). Like holy s'hit do you want these people investing their lives on simple decisions involving moderation?

They aren't banned nor suspended. They have no restriction other than to play separate tables. I don't even see a report or mods pushing for a violation. So where does this pastebin go to set the record?
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Giga13 says


Hugo says

Dave kerry and slowbro played 60 games together and won a trophy. So there is no limit.


I think there are only 50 games in a ten-day round so that's not possible, nice hyperbole

But if they played a lot like that and won a trophy I don't get how you can tell two other people to stop right now and DQ them if they don't without compiling evidence when you didn't for Dave/Kerry/Slowbro...


https://epicmafia.com/round/700

43 with hibiki. 5 with connor. And when you add lacey and kerry in. It means no game without a friend.
about 6 years

Hugo says

Dave kerry and slowbro played 60 games together and won a trophy. So there is no limit.


I think there are only 50 games in a ten-day round so that's not possible, nice hyperbole

But if they played a lot like that and won a trophy I don't get how you can tell two other people to stop right now and DQ them if they don't without compiling evidence when you didn't for Dave/Kerry/Slowbro...
about 6 years
Forget about my first post it's incorrect
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Dave kerry and slowbro played 60 games together and won a trophy. So there is no limit.
about 6 years
They have played a lot of games together but I never knew there was a hard cap on how many games two users are allowed to play with each other. What is it, 20? 30? Is it written down anywhere?
about 6 years
I smell a revolution coming
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Giga13 says

If there's no report on them for meta abusing/cheating then mods should not be able to tell them to stop playing with each other. There needs to be compiled evidence with proof and it has to be made in a report before you tell two people to stop playing with each other. We can't just go around telling people to stop without providing evidence.


Since when is evidence/report/due diligence is required to stop people from doing stuff or ban people?

Current process

Step 1- decide if a player deserves to play epicmafia/decide if a player is a good person or a bad person/ decide if a player is breaking any rule based on your preconceived notion of the rule/ determine if a player is doing something right or wrong


Step 2 - invent a new rule to ban them/ ban them without inventing rule/ ban them without reporting them/ ban them without giving a vio/ break rules to ban people because you are always right and even though your actions are breaking rule it is justified because you are banning a person who you decided should be banned without giving the person a fair trial.

Recent example- bsm moderating a report of the game he was in despite knowing that you cant mod reports related to game you are part of. Because he thinks it is "obvious" so he is allowed to break rules and set bad precedents.
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me see pranay say thing me, me down thumb i not like
about 6 years
If there's no report on them for meta abusing/cheating then mods should not be able to tell them to stop playing with each other. There needs to be compiled evidence with proof and it has to be made in a report before you tell two people to stop playing with each other. We can't just go around telling people to stop without providing evidence.

While I appreciate the mods' efforts since I used to do the same thing with these sorts of investigations, evidence should always have to be provided before telling two users to stop playing together.

Edit: They've played a lot of games together yes, but unless you can find evidence of them cheating then they shouldn't be suspended. If they continue to play together though and all you're doing is letting them know they will likely get investigated if they continue, then that's OK, but that's not what they have been told
about 6 years
about 6 years
A lot of u mods are gonna have a hard wake up call in life if it’s this hard to admit you’re wrong
about 6 years
justice for pranay
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Say nice things about blacksnakemoan and give him good advice= get down voted and get fukd.

Very mature man. Very mature. We are supposed to agree with you at all times to not get fukd.
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

I was told you'd already been asked not to play together and was asked to send the message again

But by all means, single me out (:


Where is the pastebin ?
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blacksnakemoan says

we are very friendly


Listen dude. Do you know why people dont respect the mods even after they do so much hard work? Because of responses like these. Even if you mean it as a joke, people still take it as a carefree and apathetic response from the mods. You guys have a reputation to maintain.
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You mods dont understand one for all and all for one?

You represent the mod team when you are online and active. If you take an action as a mod then it is also an act as an individual. And if you take an action as an individual, it is also an act as a mod team.

And I wasn't insulting you. Why did you have to tell me to get fuked just because I told you not to portray yourself different from the mod team. Even though the thread mentions your name it doesn't mean you are being singled out. It means the mod decision is being questioned. Either you own up to the decision or don't. If you deliver the message then it is your responsibility to own up to it.

I am not insulting. We have great respect for you for being very active and quick in responding. Don't let us down man. Dont tell us to get fuked when all we are doing is arguing our point. If one of us tells a mod to get fukd im sure we will be immediately shadown banned from commenting.
about 6 years
we are very friendly
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about 6 years

Hugo says

Why do you differentiate yourself from other mods. You guys are a team.


Get fùcked, it's very clearly only aimed at me
about 6 years
I was told you'd already been asked not to play together and was asked to send the message again

But by all means, single me out (:
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youre the only one who talked to us? what devante said is right. if we're going to be barred from playing with each other there should be proof of epicmafia crimes
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Why do you differentiate yourself from other mods. You guys are a team.