Epicmafia

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Alt checks are a joke, there's so many ways to slip pass them. VPN's, unlinked alt, etc.

The coding for this site is bad and I honestly doubt lucid really cares anymore otherwise he'd fix it or get someone else too. Charley claims that even if she had a stupid password like "safsdhdsadh safahdas" she'd still have gotten hacked.

Luke is able to just come out of nowhere and exploit the site to steal trophies.

Two rounds ago I found a bug that I reported to the mods where if you logged on an unlinked alt using incog you could join the same ranked AND comp games. No idea if it ever got fixed or ever will.

Maybe it's because I'm not comfortable w/ so many sudden changes happening at once but I find myself viewing this site as more of a sinking ship every day.

Zhuorb

almost 7 years

there's nothing wrong with not punishing anyone in a meteor game as long as the heart gets refunded

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no one should be punished for meteor.
it is like in three-fold repetition in chess, no one would willingly play a bad move so the person in the losing situation tries their best for it to be a draw. not all outcomes should be wins or losses, draws should be fine too.

panthero

almost 7 years

denial says

another way to look at the meteor rule is that its essentially there for balance reasons

meteor creates a situation where maf have to kill but doc still SHOULD be saving, and the rule is there to balance out that situation so maf do not get a free kill on a clear that the doc has been saving prior to meteor night

its not a perfect remedy, and in your situation the doc would likely get gamethrow for 'forcing' meteor. whoever doc continued to save throughout the previous nights is who the doc chose to save for meteor night. if they wanted to make sure one of their tr's or doc saves from before made it through the night, then they should've been on them one of the previous nights and let their other save die

That is absolutely not why the meteor is in place. I thought you were a veteran, but you are absolutely stupid.

emily

almost 7 years

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1455840 upvote this please idk how many i need until it can be played ranked, am trying to test it to see if it's balanced, it's meant to be teo w/o guiser

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Actually datjester got the jmpt, at least until luke comes outta nowhere and decides to snipe a trophy.

emily

almost 7 years

it's jmpt (jm participation trophy) my dude

JM123

almost 7 years

FREE SPACE

SHE TROPHIED ON JMTD

denial

almost 7 years

btw since that guy posted it in the test thread and not somewhere with actual traction

i think ban durations are being given out wrong because of how the eight violation rule is worded to be lifted after all the vios expire

i think you're SUPPOSED to get a max 3 month suspension and will get rebanned if you reach another ban limit

so theres probably a few people that were supposed to have been unbanned blah blah blah

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I am a gullible person, but I believe them tbh. Sorry for posting this space, but I think you were genuine and people need to see this

They deserved this trophy. Also lobby ban rules needs re-worked. The punishment is too harsh at times, and it creates more problems that it solves. Bypassing accounts love to throw and cheat to make our lives miserable. If you let them back on a leash, most would probably try to be model players to stay unbanned. You make more work for the mods/role mods with this system and you make good players leave because they hate all the gt accounts

denial

almost 7 years

so: "why am i not allowed to copy/paste my system messages"

balance reasons

denial

almost 7 years

another way to look at the meteor rule is that its essentially there for balance reasons

meteor creates a situation where maf have to kill but doc still SHOULD be saving, and the rule is there to balance out that situation so maf do not get a free kill on a clear that the doc has been saving prior to meteor night

its not a perfect remedy, and in your situation the doc would likely get gamethrow for 'forcing' meteor. whoever doc continued to save throughout the previous nights is who the doc chose to save for meteor night. if they wanted to make sure one of their tr's or doc saves from before made it through the night, then they should've been on them one of the previous nights and let their other save die

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blacksnakemoan says

LazyYami says

What stops people from just making a secret alt to trophy? Literally nothing does.

ego. Find me someone who would trophy without crowing about it on their main

bogmire

Alex

almost 7 years

yeah but after you win your secret alt trophy you can brag both about being a winner and about not getting caught

blacksnakemoan

almost 7 years

LazyYami says

What stops people from just making a secret alt to trophy? Literally nothing does.

ego. Find me someone who would trophy without crowing about it on their main

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panthero i want to re-write the rules to be more clear. Do you want to help? I think that you would be good at this

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panthero says

so you needed warning to not draw attention? you were a fugitive and you are complaining that you were not warned that you shouldnt do something to subject yourself to background checks. Grow up dude.

Well yeah, I assumed that the mods knew my background and decided to unban me anyway so only my actions post-unban would be judged.

I was wrong obviously, but it's not like I didn't have reasons to assume that.

Alex

almost 7 years

Welcome to epic mafia, where the rules are made up and the points don't matter

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panthero says

taro says

That’s fair enough, but it still leaves the question of why the mods unbanned me in the first place. Did they believe I deserved a second chance? If so, why did they revoke it when it was convenient to them? Was it just simply an oversight? That doesn’t reflect well upon them, but it happens sometimes. But again, is it not convenient that this oversight came to light when I was about to trophy? The only other option is that the mod team believed I misused my second chance, but again, they have not proven that - I don’t have any vios for this round.

they only suspended you from the competition. If you are out on a leash, you are not allowed to trophy. Otherwise what stops people from breaking rules indefinitely and then getting second chance to trophy

i do not think that is true. Erza got released from her trophy ban several months early and got a bronze

panthero

almost 7 years

taro says

panthero says

taro says

That’s fair enough, but it still leaves the question of why the mods unbanned me in the first place. Did they believe I deserved a second chance? If so, why did they revoke it when it was convenient to them? Was it just simply an oversight? That doesn’t reflect well upon them, but it happens sometimes. But again, is it not convenient that this oversight came to light when I was about to trophy? The only other option is that the mod team believed I misused my second chance, but again, they have not proven that - I don’t have any vios for this round.

they only suspended you from the competition. If you are out on a leash, you are not allowed to trophy. Otherwise what stops people from breaking rules indefinitely and then getting second chance to trophy

Nah, I was lobby banned again. I thought I was on a leash but it seems like the mods actually didn't know I was bypassing (at least not all of them). I wasn't given any sort of warning to not trophy or anything but eh.

so you needed warning to not draw attention? you were a fugitive and you are complaining that you were not warned that you shouldnt do something to subject yourself to background checks. Grow up dude.

panthero

almost 7 years

LazyYami says

panthero says

taro says

That’s fair enough, but it still leaves the question of why the mods unbanned me in the first place. Did they believe I deserved a second chance? If so, why did they revoke it when it was convenient to them? Was it just simply an oversight? That doesn’t reflect well upon them, but it happens sometimes. But again, is it not convenient that this oversight came to light when I was about to trophy? The only other option is that the mod team believed I misused my second chance, but again, they have not proven that - I don’t have any vios for this round.

they only suspended you from the competition. If you are out on a leash, you are not allowed to trophy. Otherwise what stops people from breaking rules indefinitely and then getting second chance to trophy

What stops people from just making a secret alt to trophy? Literally nothing does.

alt checks

panthero

almost 7 years

harodihg says

after backreading some and remembering a few things of note, here's how I think things played out:

1) you requested an unban and I checked the unban date (which had passed) so I unbanned you

2) later on charley remembered that you had bypassed (the bypassing extension wasn't properly listed on you unban date) but since your ban was already something incredibly long and it was nearly up anyway we decided to just leave you as unbanned

3) it was later found that you had been bypassing the entire time and had actually served no part of your ban, as opposed to just getting caught once like it was initially thought

4) you were rebanned and suspended from the round with this new found information here:

https://epicmafia.com/report/241560

when you were unbanned we didn't actually have alt checks, we still don't - only admins do, and during that time we didn't actually have an active admin so we didn't realize you were bypassing that entire time

it isn't that anything was done to screw you over, or that the mods are against you, we simply didn't have the tools then

you also bypassed the entire time you were banned. You guys are such hypocrites.

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panthero says

they only suspended you from the competition. If you are out on a leash, you are not allowed to trophy. Otherwise what stops people from breaking rules indefinitely and then getting second chance to trophy

Nah, I was lobby banned again. I thought I was on a leash but it seems like the mods actually didn't know I was bypassing (at least not all of them). I wasn't given any sort of warning to not trophy or anything but eh.

deletedalmost 7 years

panthero says

taro says

That’s fair enough, but it still leaves the question of why the mods unbanned me in the first place. Did they believe I deserved a second chance? If so, why did they revoke it when it was convenient to them? Was it just simply an oversight? That doesn’t reflect well upon them, but it happens sometimes. But again, is it not convenient that this oversight came to light when I was about to trophy? The only other option is that the mod team believed I misused my second chance, but again, they have not proven that - I don’t have any vios for this round.

they only suspended you from the competition. If you are out on a leash, you are not allowed to trophy. Otherwise what stops people from breaking rules indefinitely and then getting second chance to trophy

What stops people from just making a secret alt to trophy? Literally nothing does.

panthero

almost 7 years

SunShines says

panthero says

So mods. Riddle me this. If maf keeps hitting cop all nights and doc keeps saving. And on meteor night doc tries to save their town read or their n1 save and mafia kills outside cop, and doc saves again. What then? Did the doc gt? Or did the maf gt by not being able to tell who the doc would save?

A rule based on mechanics should always be absolute and not something like "maf should know that they need to kill outside of who doc has been saving"

Moreover, a mod has no right to say "why would doc save outside". Because the doc may think that their initial save or tr is gonna help town more than the cop.

Since we can't base a gt vio based on common occurance, we need to go back to the original correct rule which is also in line with the rule on rules page. The save is the action that intends to save and therefore ensure no one dies when we want someone to die. When a death is compulsary, we should not have the choice to still save someone.

I second this. meteor laws need more clearly defined. The bottom line is that mafia do not know who will be saved unless town like all agrees that the doc will save X. If the town says that x is the save, and mafia then kill x it should be gting. if mafia nls or does not try to kill then its gting. mafia trying to kill town without a clear save target, should never be gting.... gting requires intent to lose and they do not know the save target!!!!!

nope. town cant decide who will be saved. Because if you save anyone then meteor is forced. So basically town is deciding that mafia should kill but not this particular person. Moreover, even if town unanimously agrees, still the doc is allowed to wifom, so it just doesnt work

Round 694 Discussion!

Congratulations!

Everyone worked hard fighting for the top 3.

Here are the results of the last round

First Place: xPooky

Second Place: vamp

Third Place JM123

Good luck to all the players in this round!