So, when all votes are cast and the majority of votes are on a player, and that player exits the game, the lynch goes through and the game remains ranked.
Here's an example that remained ranked after I sui'd on D1, even though sniper had not yet used their gun:
In this game, all votes were cast. The majority of the votes were on me. Sniper had not yet shot or NL'd their gun. When I exited the game, votes were locked, but once the sniper NL'd their gun, the game proceeded as usual. The game remained ranked.
In this game, I exited the game with all votes on me knowing full well that the game would remain ranked:
LondonVegan assumed the game had gone unranked, exited the game, and received a suicide.
Is it really GRS to exit a game knowing that it will remain ranked? Is Minie right in assuming that I tried to "trick" LondonVegan into suiciding despite it not being autoloss for me, and it being a setup that I don't particularly care about?
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Yes, in fact he's on my facebook. He says this is exploit abuse, we're in the process of OTing your vio to a ban right now.
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"Exploit abuse is using the code in a way that wasn't intended by the programmer, actually, it has nothing to do with the content of the game."
Have you talked to Lucid to see whether this was intended to be an actual mechanic or not? You haven't explained why the sui with all votes cast thing is not the intended use of the code. And if it has no bearing on the game, the security of the site or the well-being of the users, then why is it a relevant rule at all?
"Ignorance of the rules isn't a get out of jail free card."
I'm not claiming ignorance of the rules. I have read the rules page. I'm claiming that the mods have not made it clear enough whether this constituted rule breaking and why prior to giving me a violation.
"The moderator who did your report saw that you didn't mean to break a rule that is a site-ban and showed you lenience by only giving you a GRS violation, and you COMPLAINED about it."
Yes, I am allowed to complain about rulings that I disagree with. That's the whole point of the appeal system.
Also, an exploit abuse 1st is only a warning in comparison to GRS 1st which is a 1 hour suspension. It's not really "merciful" to give me the GRS vio.
deletedabout 7 years
Exploit abuse is using the code in a way that wasn't intended by the programmer, actually, it has nothing to do with the content of the game.
Ignorance of the rules isn't a get out of jail free card.
The moderator who did your report saw that you didn't mean to break a rule that is a site-ban and showed you lenience by only giving you a GRS violation, and you COMPLAINED about it.
If I (I am also a moderator) had gotten your report, I would have given you an exploit abuse violation because I don't care about lenience. Lucky you that you got the mod you're whining you.
deletedabout 7 years
Except you have not defined what an exploit is, you have not given me an explanation why exiting game with all votes cast is an exploit and not a mechanic, and you have not explained how I have abused it (used it improperly for bad purposes such as GT or cheating).
deletedabout 7 years
If a tree falls in the forest with no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Either way, you broke the exploit abuse rule and the mod let you off easy anyway.
deletedabout 7 years
What do you define as abuse?
If it's not done to gain an unfair advantage or to ruin games on purpose to bother other players, is it still abuse?
What do you define as an exploit?
If it's a consistent game mechanic that I assumed most people knew, and is not explicitly stated as an exploit anywhere on the site, is it still an exploit?
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You're right, the rules say you get an exploit abuse violation and the mod let you off easy and you went and complained about her being lenient on the forum. It should be an exploit abuse violation.
deletedabout 7 years
Yeah, I'm not doing it again since I understand it confuses people. But it's not fair that I got a vio when there's no real rule that says that constitutes GRS.
deletedabout 7 years
Exploit abuse doesn't require having anything to do with the game. It requires abusing an exploit.
deletedabout 7 years
Vote to OT to exploit abuse, site ban.
deletedabout 7 years
It's not exploit abuse either as I didn't do it for strategic or trolling purposes, and there's no real clear precedent that says you're not supposed to use this suicide mechanic and that it's a glitch and not a purposeful feature. Unlike scripts or anything of the sort, this isn't a known exploit.
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AnYwAy the point is don't do dumb stuff and then you don't have to argue in defense of it on the forums.
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to be 100% fair, you've been testing these mechanics all week (including in a couple games i was in -.-') which is why i don't think this was a GRS; you leaving didn't really affect the outcome of the game since it was equivalent to you leaving after the lynch had finalized and you were in the gy. london probably just left because they didn't understand that mechanically, the game was still in tact. this is noteworthy because waiting an extra .2 seconds wouldn't have killed you and would've saved london the trouble of dealing with a vio but it's not worthy of a full vio.
Again, the purpose of the GRS rule is to prevent salty players from making ranked games unranked when they are in autoloss, not to prevent "S1337 commits suicide!" from appearing as a system message.
Except the game review shows that I did not receive a suicide for the game...
I'm trying to prove that I didn't knowingly break a rule because I knew exiting the game would NOT make the game go unranked, I knew exiting the game would not be considered a suicide, and I have not seen any precedent where exiting the game with all votes cast has been ruled GRS.
You did suicide even though the game stayed ranked? What are you trying to prove?
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How can it be GRS if the game remains ranked, and I knew that the game would remain ranked? How is it game related suicide if the game itself does not register it as a suicide? The point of the GRS rule is to prevent players from turning the other team's victory into an incomplete game, not to prevent "Player X has committed suicide!" messages to appear.
