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Petition about guise-testing

over 7 years

Why was there no petition in the discussion?

Condition suggested to be count as OGI when met:
10 signed
Using tools, processes or information outside of a game in a game to reveal the guiser or prove being not guised by anybody else, including but not limited to everything already included in OGI rule.
How to deal with guise-testing in games?
15
Forbid guiser setups in comp
10
Keep guising into new players
6
Count it as OGI
1
Don't guise at all
0
Replace guisers with nillas
over 7 years

VonDoom says


dzanek1143 says

This is sick how people are outing their personal information to win a mafia game.

Also not all the meta is allowed. Everything game related is allowed, like you aren't mafia due to suboptimal kill in your opinion (role or player), but when you have a code that tells your friend what role you are in every comp game, that's meta abuse and in extreme situations falls under OGI.

Also players have been reported for telling people to check profiles in order to clear themselves. How is it different with guise testing, where people say to check profiles for age, dwelling place, etc.


because profiles can be edited even when ingame.


Yeah, in non-guiser situation you can trick people through your profile and get an OGI vio. Once you're guised as someone else, you can't change the guised player's profile. Moreover, the guised person can change the profile themself.
over 7 years
In all games apart from guiser you avoid getting lynched through towntelling and scumhunting correctly. When guiser comes to the game, you avoid getting lynched only because once asked, you answered correctly who you had jerked off to recently.
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dzanek1143 says

This is sick how people are outing their personal information to win a mafia game.

Also not all the meta is allowed. Everything game related is allowed, like you aren't mafia due to suboptimal kill in your opinion (role or player), but when you have a code that tells your friend what role you are in every comp game, that's meta abuse and in extreme situations falls under OGI.

Also players have been reported for telling people to check profiles in order to clear themselves. How is it different with guise testing, where people say to check profiles for age, dwelling place, etc.


because profiles can be edited even when ingame.
over 7 years
Why not just remove guise testing from OGI so the role can be played as intended?
over 7 years
This is sick how people are outing their personal information to win a mafia game.

Also not all the meta is allowed. Everything game related is allowed, like you aren't mafia due to suboptimal kill in your opinion (role or player), but when you have a code that tells your friend what role you are in every comp game, that's meta abuse and in extreme situations falls under OGI.

Also players have been reported for telling people to check profiles in order to clear themselves. How is it different with guise testing, where people say to check profiles for age, dwelling place, etc.
over 7 years
Is vondoom the real vondoom?
:thanking:
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"Using tools, processes or information outside of a game in a game to reveal the guiser or prove being not guised by anybody else, including but not limited to everything already included in OGI rule."

GuyFawkes85 says

It could be counted as OGI, depending on what kind of tests you use... "When did you last eat a pizza?" (if you ate a pizza with him yesterday) shouldn't be used. Or "What's your real name?" (if you know him in real life, but others in the room don't)

That kind of tests SHOULD count as OGI.


this is dumb and would lead to a lot of dumb vios. what if the guised comes out and says something you knwo is false? like he said its been ages since he ate pizza when you know it was yesterday?

does vondoom out this information as it knows this person is guised or would that be ogi?

you can't remove guisetesting from the rule guising. the only options here is to ban the role, ban it to anon only, or just leave it as is.
over 7 years
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emotes shouldnt be ogi bc theres ways to find them out
deletedover 7 years
if you reall ywant to stop guise testing, comp a guiser setup with anon.
deletedover 7 years
its fine as is. guiser is a fun role, but you can't remove the human element. you just can't.

is it unfair to players who don't know the table? somewhat. but meta is literally part of the game and would be part of the game, guiser or no.
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Recidivism says

meta is an inherent part of mafia. unless someone is changing their profile or taking screenshots or something, it's not OGI.

I once guised into this kid who wrote in fluent Japanese. When asked to do so I wrote a big long story about how I was at my grandma's house so I didn't have the right keyboard.

I won. Don't suck.


yeah, most people will give up if you give a convincing enough argument as to why you can't answer their guise test. just don't guise into someone you can't be convincing as
deletedover 7 years

Bebop says


shady12 says

You can use other people's custom emojis when you guise as them.


the argument being though that you would not necessarily know the names of their custom emotes



DatGuiser says


MasterCheif says

What about using custom emotes to prove that you're not guised?


that doesnt work. if you click setting "turn off emotes", then someone can see the code behind it.

however, say u have the 5 custom emote limit. in order to guisetest, give the first one and a new one each day.


there is your answer bebop

you can find out the names of the custom emotes, but u cant prove you know all of them if they havent used all of them, so outing a new one every day along with an old one is the best strategy for that.
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MasterCheif says

What about using custom emotes to prove that you're not guised?


that doesnt work. if you click setting "turn off emotes", then someone can see the code behind it.

however, say u have the 5 custom emote limit. in order to guisetest, give the first one and a new one each day.
over 7 years
"if i tell the mafia exactly what to type and how to type it it works just like a code!"
over 7 years
so then it works the same as a code - if you out them d1 it should count as legit
over 7 years

shady12 says

You can use other people's custom emojis when you guise as them.


the argument being though that you would not necessarily know the names of their custom emotes
over 7 years
You can use other people's custom emojis when you guise as them.
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MasterCheif says

What about using custom emotes to prove that you're not guised?


Clear cut OGI because it's not defensible
over 7 years
What about using custom emotes to prove that you're not guised?
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DoctorX says

You could still have written in romaji, so probably they didn't test you well enough (about Japanese).

Anyway, meta isn't OGI, but meta OUTSIDE the game (like the one Guy mentioned) should be, in my hopinion.


Ah, much to my benefit, it turns out my mafia table wasn't full of Japanese linguists.

Perhaps instead of crying about sucking at guising, don't guise unless you have a good excuse and a silver tongue
deletedover 7 years
simple: if you don't think you can guise as them, dont guise
over 7 years
You could still have written in romaji, so probably they didn't test you well enough (about Japanese).

Anyway, meta isn't OGI, but meta OUTSIDE the game (like the one Guy mentioned) should be, in my hopinion.
deletedover 7 years
meta is an inherent part of mafia. unless someone is changing their profile or taking screenshots or something, it's not OGI.

I once guised into this kid who wrote in fluent Japanese. When asked to do so I wrote a big long story about how I was at my grandma's house so I didn't have the right keyboard.

I won. Don't suck.
over 7 years
It could be counted as OGI, depending on what kind of tests you use... "When did you last eat a pizza?" (if you ate a pizza with him yesterday) shouldn't be used. Or "What's your real name?" (if you know him in real life, but others in the room don't)

That kind of tests SHOULD count as OGI.