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Trusting the moderators

over 7 years

Greetings.

Yesterday when the banned user Sankarsh a.k.a. Error a.k.a. Fnoof revealed himself on his new account Mort, a pair of moderators were quick to come to his defense and petition for his unban. Later, the questionable user SirAmelio had leaked chat logs that revealed that Merlot had lied and worked to cover up Mort’s true identity. Amelio’s post was deleted moments afterwards, but here is a picture.

Merlot and Bebop’s questionable behavior regarding Sankarsh both in thread and out of thread is quite alarming, considering that Sankarsh has collaborated with other users to DDoS people, dox people, and hack admin accounts in the past. Bebop in particular posted a memoir in a Main lobby thread describing his fondness for Sankarsh.

Bebop and Merlot themselves are not above colluding with others to find and spread their victim’s personal information. Merlot, for example, believes that sending someone his or her personal information makes for a good joke. Bebop has threatened and harassed users in the past and continues to do so.

Any claim that Merlot or Bebop’s comments in Sankarsh’s thread were sarcastic or in jest cannot be taken seriously, especially when both have warped and unsettling senses of humour. Bebop is not above gaslighting, a trait he shares with Sankarsh.

The question I pose to the community is thus: how can we expect Merlot and Bebop to protect us as moderators and as Sandbox owners if they are willing to defend and cover up the identities of users like Sankarsh? Sankarsh craves the attention he receives from the EpicMafia community by virtue of being Error, but now he knows that Error will never be accepted by the community at large for as long as principled vanguards stand watchful, as questionable as they may be. In theory, Sankarsh could create another account, act in the same manner he has in the past (barring for his illegal behavior), and collude with Bebop and Merlot to protect his real identity, because they are not on our side, they are on his side.

Are there moderators on EpicMafia that you do not trust?
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over 7 years

cub says

unless mort claimed to be error or you have an actual ip/banid link banning him sets a precedent that you can be banned on suspicion alone

also i didnt see mort making trouble


he admitted it himself in a thread and posted proof
over 7 years

Sishen says


SirAmelio says

To be fair i didnt have any proof that mort was error and i just said that based on what i heard and speculated myself.

Moreover after speaking with merlot last night i believe that she didnt actually know that mort was error.

If anything a criticism we could make out of this is that we shouldve kept investigating until we were sure and well, we didnt and i apologize to the community for that.


how do you investigate if nobody can see ips/alts except for lucid


from what i've been told (i haven't been around sandbox as much lately) it was fairly obvious he was an alt, so they could do the classic mod team trick of asking for a main account
over 7 years
unless mort claimed to be error or you have an actual ip/banid link banning him sets a precedent that you can be banned on suspicion alone

also i didnt see mort making trouble
over 7 years
Also i was going to delete the post myself
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SirAmelio says

To be fair i didnt have any proof that mort was error and i just said that based on what i heard and speculated myself.

Moreover after speaking with merlot last night i believe that she didnt actually know that mort was error.

If anything a criticism we could make out of this is that we shouldve kept investigating until we were sure and well, we didnt and i apologize to the community for that.


how do you investigate if nobody can see ips/alts except for lucid
over 7 years
To be fair i didnt have any proof that mort was error and i just said that based on what i heard and speculated myself.

Moreover after speaking with merlot last night i believe that she didnt actually know that mort was error.

If anything a criticism we could make out of this is that we shouldve kept investigating until we were sure and well, we didnt and i apologize to the community for that.
over 7 years

ollie says

it's funny how the same group of people jump on posts like these. we know you like error and other charismatic , but just because he treats you nicely and you find harassment funny doesnt mean you should ruin this site for other people that actually enjoy it.


charismatic what?
over 7 years
"Don't speak to me or refer to me uwu"

If you're that upset about me speaking to you why do you try to make jabs at me on the forums?

Stop post flooding and move on, sishen
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it's funny how the same group of people jump on posts like these. we know you like error and other charismatic , but just because he treats you nicely and you find harassment funny doesnt mean you should ruin this site for other people that actually enjoy it.
over 7 years

cub says


HanaGusikowski47 says

How were you certain it wasn't error


that's not how burden of proof works


remember you're speaking to a liberal here, they don't know what that is
over 7 years
Read the screenshot cub

Obviously amelio was onto something, was suppressed and forgotten.
over 7 years

HanaGusikowski47 says

How were you certain it wasn't error


that's not how burden of proof works
over 7 years
Bad moderation and denial anyhow

How were you certain it wasn't error, merlot? Was it because of how he acted in chatbox?
over 7 years
Nice alt
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maybe i should
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maybe you should ban them
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so they don't get lost
over 7 years

sl0nderman says




why are there little lines connecting the top of the question mark to the period
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over 7 years

Bebop says

i think you may have missed the fact that as soon as the thread went up revealing it to be error, i locked his accounts and forcibly logged him out


this is why i dont trust you

what if people start suspecting im banned user foxie
do i look like someone who would make 65535 player games and direct the lobby to my profile
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consider this argument: shut up moron
over 7 years
i think you may have missed the fact that as soon as the thread went up revealing it to be error, i locked his accounts and forcibly logged him out

EDIT: also, nowhere in the thread do i say anything about error's unban
over 7 years
i don't trust moderators who want to ban people

if moderators don't want to ban people i approve
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I miss u error