Trusting the moderators

galestormover 9 years ago

Greetings.

Yesterday when the banned user Sankarsh a.k.a. Error a.k.a. Fnoof revealed himself on his new account Mort, a pair of moderators were quick to come to his defense and petition for his unban. Later, the questionable user SirAmelio had leaked chat logs that revealed that Merlot had lied and worked to cover up Mort’s true identity. Amelio’s post was deleted moments afterwards, but here is a picture.

Merlot and Bebop’s questionable behavior regarding Sankarsh both in thread and out of thread is quite alarming, considering that Sankarsh has collaborated with other users to DDoS people, dox people, and hack admin accounts in the past. Bebop in particular posted a memoir in a Main lobby thread describing his fondness for Sankarsh.

Bebop and Merlot themselves are not above colluding with others to find and spread their victim’s personal information. Merlot, for example, believes that sending someone his or her personal information makes for a good joke. Bebop has threatened and harassed users in the past and continues to do so.

Any claim that Merlot or Bebop’s comments in Sankarsh’s thread were sarcastic or in jest cannot be taken seriously, especially when both have warped and unsettling senses of humour. Bebop is not above gaslighting, a trait he shares with Sankarsh.

The question I pose to the community is thus: how can we expect Merlot and Bebop to protect us as moderators and as Sandbox owners if they are willing to defend and cover up the identities of users like Sankarsh? Sankarsh craves the attention he receives from the EpicMafia community by virtue of being Error, but now he knows that Error will never be accepted by the community at large for as long as principled vanguards stand watchful, as questionable as they may be. In theory, Sankarsh could create another account, act in the same manner he has in the past (barring for his illegal behavior), and collude with Bebop and Merlot to protect his real identity, because they are not on our side, they are on his side.

Poll
Are there moderators on EpicMafia that you do not trust?
Yes13
No3
Bebopover 9 years ago
cub
unless mort claimed to be error or you have an actual ip/banid link banning him sets a precedent that you can be banned on suspicion alone

also i didnt see mort making trouble
he admitted it himself in a thread and posted proof
Bebopover 9 years ago
Sishen
SirAmelio
To be fair i didnt have any proof that mort was error and i just said that based on what i heard and speculated myself.

Moreover after speaking with merlot last night i believe that she didnt actually know that mort was error.

If anything a criticism we could make out of this is that we shouldve kept investigating until we were sure and well, we didnt and i apologize to the community for that.
how do you investigate if nobody can see ips/alts except for lucid
from what i've been told (i haven't been around sandbox as much lately) it was fairly obvious he was an alt, so they could do the classic mod team trick of asking for a main account
cubover 9 years ago
unless mort claimed to be error or you have an actual ip/banid link banning him sets a precedent that you can be banned on suspicion alone

also i didnt see mort making trouble
SirAmelioover 9 years ago
Also i was going to delete the post myself
Sishenover 9 years ago
SirAmelio
To be fair i didnt have any proof that mort was error and i just said that based on what i heard and speculated myself.

Moreover after speaking with merlot last night i believe that she didnt actually know that mort was error.

If anything a criticism we could make out of this is that we shouldve kept investigating until we were sure and well, we didnt and i apologize to the community for that.
how do you investigate if nobody can see ips/alts except for lucid
SirAmelioover 9 years ago
To be fair i didnt have any proof that mort was error and i just said that based on what i heard and speculated myself.

Moreover after speaking with merlot last night i believe that she didnt actually know that mort was error.

If anything a criticism we could make out of this is that we shouldve kept investigating until we were sure and well, we didnt and i apologize to the community for that.
Sishenover 9 years ago
ollie
it's funny how the same group of people jump on posts like these. we know you like error and other charismatic , but just because he treats you nicely and you find harassment funny doesnt mean you should ruin this site for other people that actually enjoy it.
charismatic what?
HanaGusikowski47over 9 years ago
"Don't speak to me or refer to me uwu"

If you're that upset about me speaking to you why do you try to make jabs at me on the forums?

Stop post flooding and move on, sishen
deletedover 9 years ago
it's funny how the same group of people jump on posts like these. we know you like error and other charismatic , but just because he treats you nicely and you find harassment funny doesnt mean you should ruin this site for other people that actually enjoy it.
Sishenover 9 years ago
cub
HanaGusikowski47
How were you certain it wasn't error
that's not how burden of proof works
remember you're speaking to a liberal here, they don't know what that is
HanaGusikowski47over 9 years ago
Read the screenshot cub

Obviously amelio was onto something, was suppressed and forgotten.
cubover 9 years ago
HanaGusikowski47
How were you certain it wasn't error
that's not how burden of proof works
HanaGusikowski47over 9 years ago
Bad moderation and denial anyhow

How were you certain it wasn't error, merlot? Was it because of how he acted in chatbox?
HanaGusikowski47over 9 years ago
Nice alt
Bebopover 9 years ago
maybe i should
cubover 9 years ago
maybe you should ban them
Bebopover 9 years ago
so they don't get lost
cubover 9 years ago
sl0nderman
why are there little lines connecting the top of the question mark to the period
sl0ndermanover 9 years ago
cubover 9 years ago
Bebop
i think you may have missed the fact that as soon as the thread went up revealing it to be error, i locked his accounts and forcibly logged him out
this is why i dont trust you

what if people start suspecting im banned user foxie
do i look like someone who would make 65535 player games and direct the lobby to my profile
deletedover 9 years ago
consider this argument: shut up moron
Bebopover 9 years agoedited
i think you may have missed the fact that as soon as the thread went up revealing it to be error, i locked his accounts and forcibly logged him out

EDIT: also, nowhere in the thread do i say anything about error's unban
cubover 9 years ago
i don't trust moderators who want to ban people

if moderators don't want to ban people i approve
deletedover 9 years ago
I miss u error